Why is the S2K somewhat heavy?
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Originally Posted by Lice Locket,Oct 27 2007, 03:32 PM
The Z06 is not a convertible.
Safety: The s2000 has a functional rollcage built around the windshield, doors, and the visible bar behind the driver.. Can you take a Miata to the track without installing a roll cage? (in case you didn't know, for some reason, there's no legal requirement for rollover testing for convertibles. The s2000 gets 5 stars even though it is exempt from the test. Talk about "safety for everyone")
Safety: The s2000 has a functional rollcage built around the windshield, doors, and the visible bar behind the driver.. Can you take a Miata to the track without installing a roll cage? (in case you didn't know, for some reason, there's no legal requirement for rollover testing for convertibles. The s2000 gets 5 stars even though it is exempt from the test. Talk about "safety for everyone")
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This guy reminds me of George W. Bush, I don't know why. 
Now the S2000 is heavy when the world call it a light agile convertible. You don't benchmark against other cars with less, you benchmark with the same or more. A miata lacks a lot of things compared to the S2000 starting with the power top which adds weight.
Now the S2000 is heavy when the world call it a light agile convertible. You don't benchmark against other cars with less, you benchmark with the same or more. A miata lacks a lot of things compared to the S2000 starting with the power top which adds weight.
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[QUOTE=Shinigami,Oct 28 2007, 03:44 AM] The S2000 is very stiff for a convertible, it has a very high torsional rigidity. Compare that to the torsional rigidity of some of the other convertibles in this list, and I think that could explain part of the weight...:
Aston Martin DB9 cabrio: 15,500 Nm/degr
Aston Martin DB9 cabrio: 15,500 Nm/degr
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Originally Posted by Diablo99V,Oct 29 2007, 09:44 AM
This guy reminds me of George W. Bush, I don't know why.
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To be honest, a vert isn't ineherently heavier by design over a coupe, it's convertibles that are made from chopping off the roofs off of the coupe's that make it heavier. The ariel atom, F1 cars, lotus 7, etc etc are all open top verts and are all light (I understand teh extremist view here).
What I'm saying is that the S could be made lighter sure, but Honda wanted to make it a useable sportscar with some luxury features and also have more power. Simply put, more power=more weight. More power, you need beefier brakes, better tread, beefed up drivetrain, and a chassis that can handle all that power. Mazda could've made the Mazdaspeed miata with over 200hp, but didn't. Lotus could've dropped the TRD supercharger right into the stock elise but didn't. The solstice gxp, btw, weighs just a tick under 3000lbs (and don't say because it's american, GM proved with the vette that they are capable of making lightweight cars when they want to, and this was Bob Lutz's project, it was bloated from the get go but people also said that the chassis feels like it was designed for more power, that wasn't by accident).
Point is, Honda wanted to make a 240hp sportscar, and Honda of all people would know how to make it as light as possible. Could it have been lighter? Sure, but at what cost? So is it overweight by flawed design? My answer is no.
What I'm saying is that the S could be made lighter sure, but Honda wanted to make it a useable sportscar with some luxury features and also have more power. Simply put, more power=more weight. More power, you need beefier brakes, better tread, beefed up drivetrain, and a chassis that can handle all that power. Mazda could've made the Mazdaspeed miata with over 200hp, but didn't. Lotus could've dropped the TRD supercharger right into the stock elise but didn't. The solstice gxp, btw, weighs just a tick under 3000lbs (and don't say because it's american, GM proved with the vette that they are capable of making lightweight cars when they want to, and this was Bob Lutz's project, it was bloated from the get go but people also said that the chassis feels like it was designed for more power, that wasn't by accident).
Point is, Honda wanted to make a 240hp sportscar, and Honda of all people would know how to make it as light as possible. Could it have been lighter? Sure, but at what cost? So is it overweight by flawed design? My answer is no.
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I like the cars that were made with maximum potential.
The Honda S2000 is a roadster, stiff as it could be as a roadster, maxed out engine power, and basically a good blend for a trackable yet streetable car without a top.
All while being affordable at around $32k. Now its not as fast but compared to the Boxster/Z3/Z4/Miata's, its still a deal.
The Honda S2000 is a roadster, stiff as it could be as a roadster, maxed out engine power, and basically a good blend for a trackable yet streetable car without a top.
All while being affordable at around $32k. Now its not as fast but compared to the Boxster/Z3/Z4/Miata's, its still a deal.
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Originally Posted by nickbw,Oct 29 2007, 01:28 PM
by chance does your source list the toyota MRS/spyder?
Having driven the MRS, I'd say it's probably somewhere between 4000 and 6000 (probably closer to 4000... the one I drove was pretty 'rattly', and I suspect it might have been in an accident, but if not, it didn't seem very stiff).
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