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Old Jul 1, 2013 | 07:38 AM
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What if the suspension is too stiff and all four wheels are off the ground at the same time?

What does "off the track" really mean anyway?
Old Jul 1, 2013 | 07:55 AM
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off the track means all 4 wheels outside of the white lines.

Hence they are allowed to put two wheel on or over the kerbs and why the kerbs are designed to unsettle the car to prevent drivers from straight lining the corners too much.

The kerbs at Silverstone are built to an FIA standard and inspected accordingly. In reality they may well have damaged the tyres but the tyres are not strong enough withstand the demands of F1 cars driving over FIA approved kerbs.

According to Adrian Newey, this problem has been known about for some time. Pirelli wanted to change the tyres, but some teams veto'd it.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...-short-sighted
Old Jul 1, 2013 | 07:58 AM
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I really don't think the kerbs were the problem, GP2 would have seen at least one case if that was so, IMO.

Silverstone is notoriously heavy wear on tyres, I think the cars whose tyres exploded are also notoriously heavy on tyres, this combined with no testing for Pirelli, recipe for disaster.

F1 needs to allow Pirelli to test its tyres on current race cars, simple.
Old Jul 1, 2013 | 12:21 PM
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Simple answer, make tyres that are designed last the entire race, not wear out in a few laps.?
Old Jul 1, 2013 | 12:56 PM
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Bloody dangerous

Needs to change before the next race IMO
Old Jul 1, 2013 | 01:36 PM
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Someone is going to get seriously hurt if the tyre situation isn't rectified before the next race. Blowouts at those speeds ain't good news. The death of a driver because of it would be tragic.

I cringed with the Massa blow out as a little later and he could of been going into the bridge at 170 + mph.

It's like going back to the 1970s! What next? Pit crews in shirt sleeved shirts and trousers, proper racing drivers with chest wigs and medallions chasing the ladies? Being it on!
Old Jul 2, 2013 | 12:18 AM
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The next race is in 3 days time. Obviously they're not going to change the tyres.

As half expected, the FIA are turning the Silverstone Young Driver Test into a full test to concentrate on the tyre issues:

http://www.espn.co.uk/fia/motorsport/story/114085.html

It needs to be Silverstone I guess, but of course if it ends up raining for four days it'll all be for nothing.
Old Jul 2, 2013 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut
I really don't think the kerbs were the problem, GP2 would have seen at least one case if that was so, IMO.

Silverstone is notoriously heavy wear on tyres, I think the cars whose tyres exploded are also notoriously heavy on tyres, this combined with no testing for Pirelli, recipe for disaster.

F1 needs to allow Pirelli to test its tyres on current race cars, simple.
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Two interesting quotes I thought here
This from Andrew Benson (BBC reporter, so hearsay) "The problems at Silverstone were different - they were punctures that led to deflations, after which the tyres disintegrated. " Maybe Gary Anderson was correct?

and

"Pirelli had introduced a new bonding process to the tyre for Silverstone in an attempt to prevent the de-laminations." which if it wasn't so dangerous would be fekin hilarious.

Anyway, hopefully the tests will prove conclusive, but they need some heat at Silverstone, as Dembo points out no good testing them in the rain or cold.

I bet we could visit the testing days for a tenner like we used to be able to ... I may give them a call!
Old Jul 2, 2013 | 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
The next race is in 3 days time. Obviously they're not going to change the tyres.

As half expected, the FIA are turning the Silverstone Young Driver Test into a full test to concentrate on the tyre issues:

http://www.espn.co.uk/fia/motorsport/story/114085.html

It needs to be Silverstone I guess, but of course if it ends up raining for four days it'll all be for nothing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23141389

Tyres being changed for Germany
Old Jul 2, 2013 | 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fluffyninja
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23141389

Tyres being changed for Germany
Yes I just read that. That strikes me as a bit crazy. If Friday and Saturday are wet, then the first time anybody is going to be able to use the new tyres properly is the first lap of the race.



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