The Formula 1 Thread - 2013
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Originally Posted by fluffyninja' timestamp='1372765130' post='22642568
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The saga continues...
Pirelli has blamed the way the Formula One teams used its tyres as the main cause of the blow outs it experienced at the British Grand Prix, citing tyres mounted the wrong way round, low pressures and extreme cambers as the reasons why the tyres suffered cuts from Silverstone's high kerbs. At the top of its statement Pirelli made clear: "The 2013 tyres do not compromise safety if used in the correct way".
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
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Originally Posted by arsie' timestamp='1372790954' post='22643450
A bit behind the crest of this story's wave but am I alone in thinking what a miracle of luck and skill there were no fatalities?
The saga continues...
Pirelli has blamed the way the Formula One teams used its tyres as the main cause of the blow outs it experienced at the British Grand Prix, citing tyres mounted the wrong way round, low pressures and extreme cambers as the reasons why the tyres suffered cuts from Silverstone's high kerbs. At the top of its statement Pirelli made clear: "The 2013 tyres do not compromise safety if used in the correct way".
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
But returning to the plot, it sounds weird that many teams would recklessly - in Pirelli's eyes - swap tyres round unless they had reasons (a) to do so and (b) to ignore the manufacturer's guidance. Now that is beginning to sound funny. Maybe there has been an undercurrent of friction between teams and Pirelli - or am I being hysterical again
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Originally Posted by Dembo' timestamp='1372791702' post='22643494
[quote name='arsie' timestamp='1372790954' post='22643450']
A bit behind the crest of this story's wave but am I alone in thinking what a miracle of luck and skill there were no fatalities?
A bit behind the crest of this story's wave but am I alone in thinking what a miracle of luck and skill there were no fatalities?
The saga continues...
Pirelli has blamed the way the Formula One teams used its tyres as the main cause of the blow outs it experienced at the British Grand Prix, citing tyres mounted the wrong way round, low pressures and extreme cambers as the reasons why the tyres suffered cuts from Silverstone's high kerbs. At the top of its statement Pirelli made clear: "The 2013 tyres do not compromise safety if used in the correct way".
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
But returning to the plot, it sounds weird that many teams would recklessly - in Pirelli's eyes - swap tyres round unless they had reasons (a) to do so and (b) to ignore the manufacturer's guidance. Now that is beginning to sound funny. Maybe there has been an undercurrent of friction between teams and Pirelli - or am I being hysterical again
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I agree, it was pretty damn fortunate nobody was killed, not sure I get your point regarding Pirelli, unless you mean the friction that Red Bull would have with them for not sticking with last years tyres so they had all the aces again this year ... not that it is making that much difference, someone needs to send Adrian Newey a new task away from F1, what a fekin genius he is.
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Originally Posted by arsie' timestamp='1372792781' post='22643545
[quote name='Dembo' timestamp='1372791702' post='22643494']
Pirelli has blamed the way the Formula One teams used its tyres as the main cause of the blow outs it experienced at the British Grand Prix, citing tyres mounted the wrong way round, low pressures and extreme cambers as the reasons why the tyres suffered cuts from Silverstone's high kerbs. At the top of its statement Pirelli made clear: "The 2013 tyres do not compromise safety if used in the correct way".
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
http://www.espn.co.u...ory/114195.html
Pirelli has blamed the way the Formula One teams used its tyres as the main cause of the blow outs it experienced at the British Grand Prix, citing tyres mounted the wrong way round, low pressures and extreme cambers as the reasons why the tyres suffered cuts from Silverstone's high kerbs. At the top of its statement Pirelli made clear: "The 2013 tyres do not compromise safety if used in the correct way".
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
http://www.espn.co.u...ory/114195.html
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I was speculating that, based on what Dembo linked to, maybe there is some 'We Know Best' arm wrestling going on behind the scenes if Pirelli feel thay have to belittle teams in public for putting tyres on the wrong way round, using undue camber, running very low pressures etc I doubt very much teams would put tyres on 'the wrong way round' by accident.
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1372802446' post='22643990
[quote name='arsie' timestamp='1372792781' post='22643545']
[quote name='Dembo' timestamp='1372791702' post='22643494']
Pirelli has blamed the way the Formula One teams used its tyres as the main cause of the blow outs it experienced at the British Grand Prix, citing tyres mounted the wrong way round, low pressures and extreme cambers as the reasons why the tyres suffered cuts from Silverstone's high kerbs. At the top of its statement Pirelli made clear: "The 2013 tyres do not compromise safety if used in the correct way".
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
http://www.espn.co.u...ory/114195.html
[quote name='Dembo' timestamp='1372791702' post='22643494']
Pirelli has blamed the way the Formula One teams used its tyres as the main cause of the blow outs it experienced at the British Grand Prix, citing tyres mounted the wrong way round, low pressures and extreme cambers as the reasons why the tyres suffered cuts from Silverstone's high kerbs. At the top of its statement Pirelli made clear: "The 2013 tyres do not compromise safety if used in the correct way".
The Italian tyre manufacturer said the rear tyres on the cars that suffered blow outs had been mounted with the right-hand tyre on the left-hand side and vice-a-versa. It said the asymmetrical structure of its tyres had not been designed to be used in this way and had put extra stress on the sidewalls where the cuts had appeared.
http://www.espn.co.u...ory/114195.html
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I was speculating that, based on what Dembo linked to, maybe there is some 'We Know Best' arm wrestling going on behind the scenes if Pirelli feel thay have to belittle teams in public for putting tyres on the wrong way round, using undue camber, running very low pressures etc I doubt very much teams would put tyres on 'the wrong way round' by accident.
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Yeah your view makes sense, I should have read the link Dembo posted before commenting, what Pirelli wrote would make a lot of sense regarding the blow-outs for sure.
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I was speculating that, based on what Dembo linked to, maybe there is some 'We Know Best' arm wrestling going on behind the scenes if Pirelli feel thay have to belittle teams in public for putting tyres on the wrong way round, using undue camber, running very low pressures etc I doubt very much teams would put tyres on 'the wrong way round' by accident.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94115
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I was speculating that, based on what Dembo linked to, maybe there is some 'We Know Best' arm wrestling going on behind the scenes if Pirelli feel thay have to belittle teams in public for putting tyres on the wrong way round, using undue camber, running very low pressures etc I doubt very much teams would put tyres on 'the wrong way round' by accident.
But it shows nothing is black and white. It's not as simple as the tyres aren't "safe". It's interesting that after the first failures, Red Bull at least increased the pressure in their tyres. So clearly they knew that running with lower pressures represented a risk but chose to continue doing so whilst publicly criticising Pirelli, much like they did with the front camber in Spa.