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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 01:04 AM
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I'm pretty sure the airboxes have to be on top - as they have been for years. And what the teams are saying is that getting enough cooling is the biggest challenge, so they're going to need all the space available in the side pods crammed with radiators. Even if they did get the air intake somewhere else, they'd still need the same height structure above the driver's head, so it's a bit of a no brainer to use that for air.

I don't see they'd gain a lot running the F1 engine in a road car it's just too different. But who knows? I wonder if Mercedes are doing the same in some SLR AMG thing, and Renault in and old Megane. Honda could also get in on the act by testing their 2015 engine in a Jazz.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
I'm pretty sure the airboxes have to be on top - as they have been for years. And what the teams are saying is that getting enough cooling is the biggest challenge, so they're going to need all the space available in the side pods crammed with radiators. Even if they did get the air intake somewhere else, they'd still need the same height structure above the driver's head, so it's a bit of a no brainer to use that for air.

I don't see they'd gain a lot running the F1 engine in a road car it's just too different. But who knows? I wonder if Mercedes are doing the same in some SLR AMG thing, and Renault in and old Megane. Honda could also get in on the act by testing their 2015 engine in a Jazz.
Isnt it better for it to run in SOMETHING instead of just a dyno? I know FIA rules state it cant be put into ANY f1 car old or new etc. This just gives an idea of the engines characteristics whilst its actually moving, its not ideal but its the best they can do.

As for Honda I read that they have locked Brawn away in a cupboard for a year while he gets ready for Honda Mclaren 2015!
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 03:23 AM
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I best take that draft calendar down, now we have lost 3 races! Bloody Bernie teasing the media again playing his games
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
I don't see they'd gain a lot running the F1 engine in a road car it's just too different. But who knows?
God knows what was going on under those body panels though or what kind of compound of rubber the wheels were wrapped in.

Ferrari are probably the team to suffer most from unlimited testing bans.

From listening to it it doesn't sound flat out and the turbo was making some interesting noises. They're probably just playing with the ERS unit and how it interacts with the turbo in real atmospheric conditions rather than on a dyno.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MSC
Isnt it better for it to run in SOMETHING instead of just a dyno? I know FIA rules state it cant be put into ANY f1 car old or new etc. This just gives an idea of the engines characteristics whilst its actually moving, its not ideal but its the best they can do.
How does movement affect an engine's characteristics? They're not going to be able to put anything like the kind of G forces through it than an F1 car can (they'd be better off fitting it in a centrafuge), and cooling won't tell them anything as the air flow around a road car will be totally different. If it's about vibration or structural loads, then they can certainly do that on a dyno.

But I'm not an F1 engine specialist.

Perhaps it's a potential new road car engine.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 04:55 AM
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The vibration loads are very hard to simulate on a dyno unless you had some sort of dyno loaded up a full hydraulic chassis rig.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 06:18 AM
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Some F1 teams certainly have those kind of rigs, but they may be full chassis only and I'm not sure on the regs for that. I'd guess that was free.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BuggyofMildDiscomfort
The vibration loads are very hard to simulate on a dyno unless you had some sort of dyno loaded up a full hydraulic chassis rig.
You said it.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 07:07 AM
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Okay, but if you do, then you need all the cooling and installation systems mounted up, so then you need airflow over the rig.....you maybe as well spend 1/100th of the cost and slap it in a car and razz around the track.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 08:04 AM
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Besides if a dyno was completely reliable we'd all achieve our cars mpg claims
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