The Formula 1 Thread - 2014
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1410285388' post='23323308
You may have noticed my lack of input in the geeky discussion re: fuel and driving style efficiency ... ffs F1 should never be about that crap 
Then again, thinking about it, F1 is incredibly geeky, it explains much of the moronic comment one reads, particularly on the newspaper websites, fortunately that's pretty rare here.
However, I do agree with the 'pretty rare moronic comments' on this thread particularly.
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Indeed. But engine (and gearbox) - which are routinely disassembled and reassembled - have not been all of the failures. Brakes, suspension, electrical contacts, the loom (which wears against the frame) etc these are all I think not taken apart and put back together routinely. These and other components could be subject to 'driver wear' from race to race accumulating an impact on reliability.
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Indeed. But engine (and gearbox) - which are routinely disassembled and reassembled - have not been all of the failures. Brakes, suspension, electrical contacts, the loom (which wears against the frame) etc these are all I think not taken apart and put back together routinely. These and other components could be subject to 'driver wear' from race to race accumulating an impact on reliability.
Australia was a piece of insulating rubber that they since changed the design on to prevent happening again. He wasn't using his spark plugs harder, if anything he has less fuel usage than rosberg.
Canada they both had the same electrical failure at the same time because the engineers didn't know it would fail at that temperature, and for brakes it probably had more to do with time following in hot air and luck as to which car failed.
Germany qualifying those brake components will have been brand new and it will have been a simple manufacturing fault in the disc. A driver couldn't destroy the brake disc through driving style in that short a time as the tyre would have been wrecked long before the brake disc.
The Hungary qualifying fire was before he'd even done a timed lap and those components will have been inspected and tested prior. That's a mechanic cocking something up.
And finally the software issue at the start in Monza, I don't think hard driving would cause that. Simple settings error, maybe Hamilton's own fault or again an engineer mistake.
Hamilton has consistently used less fuel and been just as, if not more kind on tyres than rosberg. He brakes later, but the tyre will be the limiting factor there.
If his driving style were to blame then they have all the telemetry to show it and it would be being fed back to him just like the data to go faster is being shared between both driver.
The fact that the car had withstood him charging through the field but is falling apart in qualifying would suggest simple engineering mistakes putting the car together not Hamilton rattling it apart.
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The argument that Lewis is harder on the car mechanically holds no merit.
Australia was a piece of insulating rubber that they since changed the design on to prevent happening again. He wasn't using his spark plugs harder, if anything he has less fuel usage than rosberg.
Canada they both had the same electrical failure at the same time because the engineers didn't know it would fail at that temperature, and for brakes it probably had more to do with time following in hot air and luck as to which car failed.
Germany qualifying those brake components will have been brand new and it will have been a simple manufacturing fault in the disc. A driver couldn't destroy the brake disc through driving style in that short a time as the tyre would have been wrecked long before the brake disc.
The Hungary qualifying fire was before he'd even done a timed lap and those components will have been inspected and tested prior. That's a mechanic cocking something up.
And finally the software issue at the start in Monza, I don't think hard driving would cause that. Simple settings error, maybe Hamilton's own fault or again an engineer mistake.
Hamilton has consistently used less fuel and been just as, if not more kind on tyres than rosberg. He brakes later, but the tyre will be the limiting factor there.
If his driving style were to blame then they have all the telemetry to show it and it would be being fed back to him just like the data to go faster is being shared between both driver.
The fact that the car had withstood him charging through the field but is falling apart in qualifying would suggest simple engineering mistakes putting the car together not Hamilton rattling it apart.
Australia was a piece of insulating rubber that they since changed the design on to prevent happening again. He wasn't using his spark plugs harder, if anything he has less fuel usage than rosberg.
Canada they both had the same electrical failure at the same time because the engineers didn't know it would fail at that temperature, and for brakes it probably had more to do with time following in hot air and luck as to which car failed.
Germany qualifying those brake components will have been brand new and it will have been a simple manufacturing fault in the disc. A driver couldn't destroy the brake disc through driving style in that short a time as the tyre would have been wrecked long before the brake disc.
The Hungary qualifying fire was before he'd even done a timed lap and those components will have been inspected and tested prior. That's a mechanic cocking something up.
And finally the software issue at the start in Monza, I don't think hard driving would cause that. Simple settings error, maybe Hamilton's own fault or again an engineer mistake.
Hamilton has consistently used less fuel and been just as, if not more kind on tyres than rosberg. He brakes later, but the tyre will be the limiting factor there.
If his driving style were to blame then they have all the telemetry to show it and it would be being fed back to him just like the data to go faster is being shared between both driver.
The fact that the car had withstood him charging through the field but is falling apart in qualifying would suggest simple engineering mistakes putting the car together not Hamilton rattling it apart.
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The argument that Lewis is harder on the car mechanically holds no merit.
Australia was a piece of insulating rubber that they since changed the design on to prevent happening again. He wasn't using his spark plugs harder, if anything he has less fuel usage than rosberg.
Canada they both had the same electrical failure at the same time because the engineers didn't know it would fail at that temperature, and for brakes it probably had more to do with time following in hot air and luck as to which car failed.
Germany qualifying those brake components will have been brand new and it will have been a simple manufacturing fault in the disc. A driver couldn't destroy the brake disc through driving style in that short a time as the tyre would have been wrecked long before the brake disc.
The Hungary qualifying fire was before he'd even done a timed lap and those components will have been inspected and tested prior. That's a mechanic cocking something up.
And finally the software issue at the start in Monza, I don't think hard driving would cause that. Simple settings error, maybe Hamilton's own fault or again an engineer mistake.
Hamilton has consistently used less fuel and been just as, if not more kind on tyres than rosberg. He brakes later, but the tyre will be the limiting factor there.
If his driving style were to blame then they have all the telemetry to show it and it would be being fed back to him just like the data to go faster is being shared between both driver.
The fact that the car had withstood him charging through the field but is falling apart in qualifying would suggest simple engineering mistakes putting the car together not Hamilton rattling it apart.
Australia was a piece of insulating rubber that they since changed the design on to prevent happening again. He wasn't using his spark plugs harder, if anything he has less fuel usage than rosberg.
Canada they both had the same electrical failure at the same time because the engineers didn't know it would fail at that temperature, and for brakes it probably had more to do with time following in hot air and luck as to which car failed.
Germany qualifying those brake components will have been brand new and it will have been a simple manufacturing fault in the disc. A driver couldn't destroy the brake disc through driving style in that short a time as the tyre would have been wrecked long before the brake disc.
The Hungary qualifying fire was before he'd even done a timed lap and those components will have been inspected and tested prior. That's a mechanic cocking something up.
And finally the software issue at the start in Monza, I don't think hard driving would cause that. Simple settings error, maybe Hamilton's own fault or again an engineer mistake.
Hamilton has consistently used less fuel and been just as, if not more kind on tyres than rosberg. He brakes later, but the tyre will be the limiting factor there.
If his driving style were to blame then they have all the telemetry to show it and it would be being fed back to him just like the data to go faster is being shared between both driver.
The fact that the car had withstood him charging through the field but is falling apart in qualifying would suggest simple engineering mistakes putting the car together not Hamilton rattling it apart.