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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 07:57 AM
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No more than I would expect them to say if it was Rosberg's fault.
Rosberg suffered exactly the same brake problems in Canada, so by your logic that was his fault too - you can't have one without the other.
Rosberg finished the race and Lewis didn't so I think that upholds my logic nicely.
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
Rosberg finished the race and Lewis didn't so I think that upholds my logic nicely.
No. Your logic is flawed. You claimed the issues were due to Hamilton's driving. Rosberg had the same issues at the same time, so, by your logic, his issues must have been down to his driving.

The truth of the matter is that it was a flaw in the design/specifications of the braking system of the car.

It seems you are letting your dislike of Hamilton's personality cloud your judgement somewhat.
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus' timestamp='1411315028' post='23339195

Rosberg finished the race and Lewis didn't so I think that upholds my logic nicely.
No. Your logic is flawed. You claimed the issues were due to Hamilton's driving. Rosberg had the same issues at the same time, so, by your logic, his issues must have been down to his driving.

The truth of the matter is that it was a flaw in the design/specifications of the braking system of the car.

It seems you are letting your dislike of Hamilton's personality cloud your judgement somewhat.
No. The brakes got hot because the ERS failed on both. Yet somehow Rosbergs brakes didn't explode and Hamiltons did. How can that not be DIRECTLY down to Hamilton's driving style?
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
No. The brakes got hot because the ERS failed on both. Yet somehow Rosbergs brakes didn't explode and Hamiltons did. How can that not be DIRECTLY down to Hamilton's driving style?
Read this, it explains why Hamilton's brakes failed quite nicely (they overheated at his pit stop). http://www.autosport...t.php/id/114358

The failed MGU-K meant that brake harvesting of the cars changed, which put extra stress on the cars' brakes.
Wolff believes that the peak in temperatures when Hamilton made his second stop for tyres just put him over the edge and triggered the brake failure that ended his race.
We told both drivers to manage the brakes because when you lose the electric motor and you lose the electric braking, the brakes are overheating massively," he said.

"We changed the balance within the braking system and told them to both be careful.


"Both of them complied exactly to what they had been told to do. It was very marginal though.
"When Lewis entered into the pits, with a stationary car, the temperatures rose and when he went out the pedal just went soft and fell down completely. On Nico's car he was lucky not to have that."

Wolff said that Mercedes was not sure whether or not the overheating of its system was a track specific problem that related to Montreal, or had more to do with the jump in ambient temperatures.


"We don't know yet," he said. "What we know is that we had a peak in temperatures in a system that we did not expect to be as crucial as it was."
So, just down to luck, really. An no-one's brakes "exploded".

I await your explanation of why Hamilton's brake failure in Germany was down to his driving style.

FWIW, Rosberg's failure today was no more down to his driving style that any of Hamilton's failures.
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 09:39 AM
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Buttons electrics went because of his hard driving style !!!!! Or maybe it was just bad luck. ;-)
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1411315572' post='23339201
[quote name='Ultra_Nexus' timestamp='1411315028' post='23339195']

Rosberg finished the race and Lewis didn't so I think that upholds my logic nicely.
No. Your logic is flawed. You claimed the issues were due to Hamilton's driving. Rosberg had the same issues at the same time, so, by your logic, his issues must have been down to his driving.

The truth of the matter is that it was a flaw in the design/specifications of the braking system of the car.

It seems you are letting your dislike of Hamilton's personality cloud your judgement somewhat.
No. The brakes got hot because the ERS failed on both. Yet somehow Rosbergs brakes didn't explode and Hamiltons did. How can that not be DIRECTLY down to Hamilton's driving style?
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I think you might have a point about Hamilton's driving style being harder on the brakes. He should have cut the chicane and floored it like Rosberg rather than slowing and staying within the track limits. Would have been much kinder in the brakes :-)
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Old Sep 22, 2014 | 01:08 AM
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I think Mercedes got a bit concerned that EJ was going to blow the lid on the whole conspiracy and are making amends to bring it back in line...

Hamilton has won 7 races to Rosbergs 4, so he should win the title

I'm only joking of course...

I wander if Ham can build a 15+ point lead going to the final race meaning a second place would seal the champ?

Whether or not you like/dislike Hamilton for his off track 'personality' I think it's hard to argue that he isn't one of the most entertaining drivers to watch? A real racer, as opposed to a lap time specialist? His move on Vettel was very risky and could / should have waited to a 'safer' place to pass as it was inevitable (not dissimilar to that on Massa last time out), but he likes to race and get things done rather than manage the situation. Only Ricciardo seems to think along the same lines as Hamilton... and Maldonado, but he keeps missing his brake pedal and hitting other cars / walls.

It's good for the crowds and keeps it entertaining. Of course, it will result in more DNF's / contact but it makes for better viewing than the often mundane stuff (you'll pass him in the pit stops).

Rosberg will no doubt blame his inability to get past the Caterham on his elec gremlins, I just think he struggles to overtake, so unless starting from the front, isn't much cop.
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Old Sep 22, 2014 | 03:04 AM
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sounds nasty...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29303579

and drinking boiled water... ouch!
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Old Sep 22, 2014 | 04:14 AM
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http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/09/22/f1...ons-clarified/
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Old Sep 22, 2014 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by phil121081
sounds nasty...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29303579

and drinking boiled water... ouch!
Should have put a nice refreshing tea bag in it.
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