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Old Dec 11, 2014 | 01:39 AM
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Though to be honest, if it'd been my decision I would have gone for Magnussen.
Really? Magnussen has age on his side but he's not showed any other flashes of brilliance. He's certainly not a Riccardo, Bottas or Kvyat and has been penalised a number of times this year for bad/over aggressive driving. Nor has he shown the raw speed that would make you want to try and train the bad driving out of him.

If you take Button out of the equation for the second seat, there are much better drivers out there that would want a Maclaren seat than Magnussen.
I disagree in part Lower

Magnussen has shown that he can race wheel to wheel and has done well is a duff car this year. I think it's a bit unfair to compare him to Riccardo & Bottas as they have better machines underneath them so can more easily get into situations to shine, and they have a bit more F1 experience. Riccardo was very average when he strated in F1. Kevin IMO, is easily as good as Kvyat.

He's only been penalised heavily this year (mostly unfairly IMO, I'm thinking of Spa for example) because he is a rookie, and the FIA have stated they will penalise rookies to get them into line. Just a shame they didn't do that with Perez, Grosjean & Maldonado a couple of years back, when they were bumping into everything.

All that said, I still believe Jenson is the better choice right now, but I do hope to see Kevin back in F1 soon.
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by lower
Really? Magnussen has age on his side but he's not showed any other flashes of brilliance. He's certainly not a Riccardo, Bottas or Kvyat and has been penalised a number of times this year for bad/over aggressive driving. Nor has he shown the raw speed that would make you want to try and train the bad driving out of him.
Were Ricciardo or Bottas that impressive in their first years? I don't think they were. Ricciardo and Bottas are good arguments for taking a chance on a newer younger driver: they've both stepped up and really delivered once they've had a few years behind them and got hold of a decent car. Magnussen could be the same. Button still has a lot to offer, but he's not likely to improve, probably the opposite, which is why I would have chosen Magnussen.

Of course it isn't all about performance in F1.
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 01:56 AM
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I wonder how much of a pay cut Button has had to take?
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 02:28 AM
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Salary halved apparently.

@ Dembo and j8mie: You might be right about Magnussen compared to the other drivers i listed. But the other drivers i listed came through a 'B' team. Maclaren don't view themselves as a 'B' team so any driver they have needs to perform quickly in the way that Hamilton did. I don't think Magnussen has done that and therefore doesn't deserve a first team seat.
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 02:35 AM
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I wonder how much of a pay cut Button has had to take?
From BBC.
Button will be on a one-year deal at a salary reduced by at least half from the reputed £12m he was earning in 2014.
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 02:48 AM
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And Alonso is on £25million or something? This'll be interesting!
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by lower
Salary halved apparently.

@ Dembo and j8mie: You might be right about Magnussen compared to the other drivers i listed. But the other drivers i listed came through a 'B' team. Maclaren don't view themselves as a 'B' team so any driver they have needs to perform quickly in the way that Hamilton did. I don't think Magnussen has done that and therefore doesn't deserve a first team seat.
That is a very good point. I do think McLaren lucked in when they got Hamilton to drive for them, and it's not often a talent like that comes along. I do think with the season McLaren had in 2014, they should be pleased with both their drivers and their performances.
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Heinz '57
From BBC.
Button will be on a one-year deal at a salary reduced by at least half from the reputed £12m he was earning in 2014.
From James Allen:

Dennis confirmed that Button’s contract is for two years
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by j8mie
I do think McLaren lucked in when they got Hamilton to drive for them, and it's not often a talent like that comes along.
Hardly lucked-in. Hamilton was spotted (or more likely thrust into view by a pushy-parent) by McLaren, and was a paid driver in karting for quite some time before stepping-up to the F1 circus.

If my karting friends are to be believed, Hamilton was on £30K p.a. plus as a juvenile.
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 07:17 AM
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I do think McLaren lucked in when they got Hamilton to drive for them, and it's not often a talent like that comes along.
Hardly lucked-in. Hamilton was spotted (or more likely thrust into view by a pushy-parent) by McLaren, and was a paid driver in karting for quite some time before stepping-up to the F1 circus.

If my karting friends are to be believed, Hamilton was on £30K p.a. plus as a juvenile.
There is still a massive element of luck involved. Not every promising young driver ends up winning World Championships, nor do they hit the ground running like Lewis did in their first season.

What I'm trying to say is that I get the impression McLaren seem to think they can take an promising young driver, and get another Hamilton. I felt with Kovalainen, Perez and now Magnussen, McLaren were hoping for great thing from a rookie/young driver and seem surprised they didn't deliver from day 1.



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