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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 11:59 AM
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I heard from our commentators that the FIA were being really strict on driver coaching in regards to the clutch bite point. Does anyone else think that's why the Ferrari's both seemed to jump off the start line so much better?
Old Jul 28, 2015 | 03:29 AM
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119925

Part of me had wondered if there was an advantage to them trying it out early but not entirely conviced
Old Jul 28, 2015 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by j8mie
Good to see Vettel up to his old tricks again at the start. There was no need to get that close to Lewis at the start. Bit of luck Lewis prevented a collision.

It is called racing,not something that we often see in F1


Still not sure how Lewis got a penalty for tagging Ricciardo, but Ricciardo didn't get one for taking out Rosberg's rear tyre. Ricciardo ruined Rosberg's race, whereas Hamilton only ruined his own.

Rosberg cut across the front of Ricciardo so he ruined his own race.Hamilton accepted that he was at fault.
Old Jul 28, 2015 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Heinz '57
Originally Posted by j8mie' timestamp='1437922476' post='23693289
Good to see Vettel up to his old tricks again at the start. There was no need to get that close to Lewis at the start. Bit of luck Lewis prevented a collision.

It is called racing,not something that we often see in F1


Still not sure how Lewis got a penalty for tagging Ricciardo, but Ricciardo didn't get one for taking out Rosberg's rear tyre. Ricciardo ruined Rosberg's race, whereas Hamilton only ruined his own.

Rosberg cut across the front of Ricciardo so he ruined his own race.Hamilton accepted that he was at fault.
Cobblers! There was no need for Vettel to get that close at the start. I know he likes to think he is above the rules, and more often than not gets away with it, but had he misjudged that his car and probably Hamilton's would have ended up veering across the track with 18 drivers bearing down on them. Doesn't sound like racing to me, more like complete stupidity or arrogance. It's what I like to call Sennaism.

I'm quite happy with Hamilton's penalty, he was clearly at fault. But Ricciardo clipped the back of Rosberg, so he should have been given one as well. Nico was nearly a full car length in front with the inside line after Ricciardo's failed pass into turn one. Nico takes the racing line after giving Ricciardo plenty of space and Daniel tags the back of his car, ending Nico's chance of taking the lead in the championship.

Double standards once again from the F1 stewards.
Old Jul 28, 2015 | 10:54 AM
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Glad there are always different ways to look at things. If Rosberg had car control like Vettel he would have never hit Ricciardo and been on the podium.
Old Jul 28, 2015 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by j8mie
Originally Posted by Heinz '57' timestamp='1438097750' post='23695633
[quote name='j8mie' timestamp='1437922476' post='23693289']
Good to see Vettel up to his old tricks again at the start. There was no need to get that close to Lewis at the start. Bit of luck Lewis prevented a collision.

It is called racing,not something that we often see in F1


Still not sure how Lewis got a penalty for tagging Ricciardo, but Ricciardo didn't get one for taking out Rosberg's rear tyre. Ricciardo ruined Rosberg's race, whereas Hamilton only ruined his own.

Rosberg cut across the front of Ricciardo so he ruined his own race.Hamilton accepted that he was at fault.
Cobblers! There was no need for Vettel to get that close at the start. I know he likes to think he is above the rules, and more often than not gets away with it, but had he misjudged that his car and probably Hamilton's would have ended up veering across the track with 18 drivers bearing down on them. Doesn't sound like racing to me, more like complete stupidity or arrogance. It's what I like to call Sennaism.
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What rule did he break? Did the stewards penalise him? When Lewis does it is it permissible? All the commentators seemed to think that it was racing but what do they know?

And BTW, if you do not agree with my opinion it is not nice to dismiss it as cobblers.
Old Jul 28, 2015 | 11:48 AM
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I thought Ricciardo was to blame for hitting Rosberg. It was just like Rosberg on Hamilton at Spa last year: it's like he misjudged where his front wing was. A bit of a shame it went that way as for the championship we could have done with Rosberg winning.

Don't know what Jamie is complaining about on the start. Nothing wrong with them getting close.
Old Jul 28, 2015 | 03:01 PM
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I saw the Rosberg and Ricciardo accident as a racing incident. If anything, Rosberg needed to take some ownership there as he had so much more to lose than Ricciardo. Even if they had penalized Ricciardo, Rosberg would still have finished behind Hamilton.

Hamilton's situation was a little different because of the lock up and he basically slid into Ricciardo.

I thought it was a great start, not sure why Vettel would want to go further to the left, especially with a right hand corner coming up. I just re-watched the start, if anything it looks like Hamilton was trying to defend against Vettel by moving ever so slightly to the left.
Old Jul 28, 2015 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MR.CLIFFORD
Glad there are always different ways to look at things. If Rosberg had car control like Vettel he would have never hit Ricciardo and been on the podium.
The point is that there is no way Rosberg could have known where Ricciardo was once he was in front (we are forever being told how hard it is to see to the side). So it was down to Daniel to yield.

Even if Ricciardo did get a penalty he would have still finished ahead of Rosberg, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't get one.
Old Jul 28, 2015 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Heinz '57
Originally Posted by j8mie' timestamp='1438108980' post='23695893
[quote name='Heinz '57' timestamp='1438097750' post='23695633']
[quote name='j8mie' timestamp='1437922476' post='23693289']
Good to see Vettel up to his old tricks again at the start. There was no need to get that close to Lewis at the start. Bit of luck Lewis prevented a collision.

It is called racing,not something that we often see in F1


Still not sure how Lewis got a penalty for tagging Ricciardo, but Ricciardo didn't get one for taking out Rosberg's rear tyre. Ricciardo ruined Rosberg's race, whereas Hamilton only ruined his own.

Rosberg cut across the front of Ricciardo so he ruined his own race.Hamilton accepted that he was at fault.
Cobblers! There was no need for Vettel to get that close at the start. I know he likes to think he is above the rules, and more often than not gets away with it, but had he misjudged that his car and probably Hamilton's would have ended up veering across the track with 18 drivers bearing down on them. Doesn't sound like racing to me, more like complete stupidity or arrogance. It's what I like to call Sennaism.
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What rule did he break? Did the stewards penalise him? When Lewis does it is it permissible? All the commentators seemed to think that it was racing but what do they know?

And BTW, if you do not agree with my opinion it is not nice to dismiss it as cobblers.
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Vettel was inches away from Hamilton when he didn't need to be. He got a better start and was clearly heading into the lead, yet he pulls that BS out again. It needs to be nipped in the bud or he will cause an accident. What would people have thought if a driver was seriously injured or killed on the day they were remembering Jules Bianchi?

No driver should do that when they don't need too, including Lewis. It's understandable they will get close at the start, but not unnecessarily. Remember Dog when Alonso almost lost his head?

I wasn't implying that this was breaking a rule. More a comment on his general mindset.

Cobblers too strong. Duly noted cupcake.



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