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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 01:38 AM
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Watched an old TG last night. The Exige beat the GT3 around the track.

Should make Bada happy.
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark,Jun 26 2006, 08:38 AM
Not directly aimed at this thread, but I have seen a few lately.

And its not an assumption that it is jealousy, I dont know what it is hence I put "maybe" But I do always pick up on a lot of negative comments towards Porsches on this and other boards. Cant recall anyone praising a Boxter for example!

Maybe it is more the image aka the reason a lot of people dont like beemers. Not something that puts me off!

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There are a few posts around praising the Boxster if you look hard enough the US side of the forum generally seem to be more open to the idea but I suspect thats because Porsche isn't quite as dirty a word as in the UK?

The two or three 911s that I've driven didn't do it for me at all so I can't see me buying one...... the old Boxster equally failed to impress as it didn't offer anything that the S2000 didn't already have. When I was looking for a car to replace my S I REALLY didn't know which way to go but then the new 987 Boxster came out...... so to make sure I still didn't like the drive I tested one and was very surprised to find I liked it enough to buy one. If you've driven the 986 and slated it don't discount the 987 until you've tried one as the new car is much better. As well as being a bloody good car its also plenty of fun especially in the wet where you can provoke the tail without much risk of an off.

One small advantage I've found is that if/when the car needs work (service) you can get a decent loan car..... tomorrow mine goes in for a small recall so I've got a Cayman S overnight...... when it goes in for its first service I've been promised a 997S.

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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by wadswoaj,Jun 26 2006, 10:42 AM
One small advantage I've found is that if/when the car needs work (service) you can get a decent loan car..... tomorrow mine goes in for a small recall so I've got a Cayman S overnight...... when it goes in for its first service I've been promised a 997S.

So what?

I had an FRV.






















































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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 01:55 AM
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They probably want to peddle more metal your way. Its a sensible approach in that sector.

Honda should dish out NSXs to all the S owners at service time. Not those sodding shitmobiles they dish out.
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkB,Jun 26 2006, 09:43 AM
My 2pennorth, I've pretty much found every modern Porsche I've driven to be anodyne. Capable, but anodyne. Not my bag, but I see the appeal.
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by gaddafi,Jun 26 2006, 08:24 AM
I don't see much evidence of 'bad feeling'

And there are plenty of people that can afford a Porsche and don't want one - self included

Like I said, it could be the greatest drive ever - but the shape doesn't float my boat

Some people don't like Ferraris and BMWs for the same reason - what's the difference?

It doesn't mask "I really want one, but I'll never admit it"

I remember parking my 348 next to a new 911 turbo last year

There were crowds around the Ferrari and lots ofg questions, while the 911 was ignored (to the chagrin of its owner)

I suppose I want more glamour in my most expensive purchases

Maybe that's why I see the much earlier models as more interesting - they are quite a rare site on the roads now
May not be bad feeling gad but the posts on the first page a generally made up of negative comments with some quite sweeping generalisations.
There are many 911s and my favourites are 993 and 997. I have driven a 997c2s for a day, a 993c4s for an hour and 996 turbo cab for 1/2 an hour. The 993 and was the first 91 i drove so apart from the fact it felt very quick I could not really comment on it. The 996 Turbo cab was a tiptronic and again couldnt really tell much apart from acceleration. The 997 c2s was in my opinnion just brilliant and I loved every minute of it and for just sheer driving pleasure If I had the money I would buy one tommorow.
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 04:24 AM
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Don't like them. Although if someone was giving away a new GT3 i wouldn't say no.

The last good Porka them made was the 993 Turbo.
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mole,Jun 26 2006, 12:16 PM
May not be bad feeling gad but the posts on the first page a generally made up of negative comments with some quite sweeping generalisations.
There are many 911s and my favourites are 993 and 997. I have driven a 997c2s for a day, a 993c4s for an hour and 996 turbo cab for 1/2 an hour. The 993 and was the first 91 i drove so apart from the fact it felt very quick I could not really comment on it. The 996 Turbo cab was a tiptronic and again couldnt really tell much apart from acceleration. The 997 c2s was in my opinnion just brilliant and I loved every minute of it and for just sheer driving pleasure If I had the money I would buy one tommorow.
fair comment, but I can't see why it merits much comment

Porsche are a brand, like BMW, that attract some polarised views

add Skoda and Ferrari if you like

then factor in that this is a dedicated S2000 board and I think it's inevitable that you'll get a mixed reaction

styling comments are always justified - beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it's easy to spot someone who is just being nasty

most people are stating a reasonable view in that respect as far as I can see

I'm sure people don't like to hear their car described as 'lacking feel' or 'anodyne' either, but I think it's a fair description of most mass produced moderns

of course some people have never driven older cars sans power steering, abs etc, so they may not realise what us grunters are on about

and for some people it may not matter anyway - I bought my BMW for outright pace, versatility and anonymity - not delicacy of feel etc

but I can see how a 911 owner (actual or prospective) is going to be sensitive to such charges - not least when the muppets at EVO tell them that their car offers fantastic steering feel and 'paints a picture of every pebble on the road'

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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark,Jun 26 2006, 09:44 AM
Just re-read the 1st page and about 80% of it is not really that positive is it?!

Comments around stigma, people who cant drive, image, picture of clarkson with "cocks" on his back, snobbish badge, 2 a penny etc.

If it was reasons like, poor quality, ridiculous servicing costs and poor perfomance etc I could accept that The aesthetics is a perfectly justifiable on though, if you dont like the look of the thing to start with....

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I don't know about anyone else, but buying a car for me is never a black and white decision like that. "How much is it, does it have X bhp, does it cost X to service, will it break down a lot... ok I'll buy one". I think the opinions so far indicate the different criteria people have when car buying.

Do you have to drive a Nissan Micra Convertible to decide whether it's a car you want to buy?
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 06:49 AM
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I've always regarded the Porsche as the Man United of cars - hard to fault them technically, but they just seem to attract the wrong sort....
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