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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by chilled,Oct 23 2008, 08:44 AM
CS is an M3 with the CSL steering rack, similar (not the same) wheels, and suspension. It doesn't have the 200kg diet.
or engine tweaks, or seats, or roof (latter part of diet I know, but.....)

CS was a runout model

like all runouts it has frills without much substance
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MB,Oct 22 2008, 11:48 PM
Is it a 996 GT3 contender?
Not as standard, you need to spend around ~8k (brakes + suspension) on them to get them somewhere near

Bloody good cars though and the noise is rather special!
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 01:42 AM
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Most interesting comments chaps - I am now more learned!

Seems that most people hold them in very high regard.

Pete's point about the tyres is interesting... I've read a couple of reports that suggest a standard M3 running the same tyres wouldn't be that far off.

But as an overall package it sounds great. I particularly like the GT3 style seats and wheel.

Also I like the practicality

Couldn't have 2 beemers on the drive way though!
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 01:47 AM
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it's the only Beemer I would change to

but I/you would need to keep the miles right down if the value was to stay well above that of standard cars

the idea that there is no point in having one unless you track it is just daft

if we applied that kind of logic to vehicle ownership, we might as well all drive Trabants
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MB,Oct 23 2008, 10:42 AM
Most interesting comments chaps - I am now more learned!

Seems that most people hold them in very high regard.

Pete's point about the tyres is interesting... I've read a couple of reports that suggest a standard M3 running the same tyres wouldn't be that far off.

But as an overall package it sounds great. I particularly like the GT3 style seats and wheel.

Also I like the practicality

Couldn't have 2 beemers on the drive way though!
I've chased CSL's in my M3 and whilst they were leaving me, on Cups it'd have been a LOT closer. The CSL would still win with an extra 20bhp and 200kg less, but the M3 would stand a chance of winning with the average level of driving.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by gaddafi,Oct 23 2008, 10:47 AM
the idea that there is no point in having one unless you track it is just daft

if we applied that kind of logic to vehicle ownership, we might as well all drive Trabants
But it does seem silly to pay such a premium for the differences you won't get the benefit of unless you do use it on the track occasionally.

I do think it would be daft to buy one for use only on the track.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ge2,Oct 23 2008, 10:19 AM
But it does seem silly to pay such a premium for the differences you won't get the benefit of unless you do use it on the track occasionally.

I do think it would be daft to buy one for use only on the track.
you can extend that argument to any high performance car

none of my cars have been anywhere near a track, and with the exception of the Nurburgring (which I don't see as a track in the way I view others, such as Brands or Goodwood), I doubt any ever will

I completely see that for some people, exploiting a car's performance is very important

but for vastly more, I suspect that's the last thing on their mind when they buy

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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by gaddafi,Oct 23 2008, 11:31 AM
you can extend that argument to any high performance car

none of my cars have been anywhere near a track, and with the exception of the Nurburgring (which I don't see as a track in the way I view others, such as Brands or Goodwood), I doubt any ever will

I completely see that for some people, exploiting a car's performance is very important

but for vastly more, I suspect that's the last thing on their mind when they buy

All true.

It's just the way I think

I think the CSL would be ideal MB given his recent activities.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 03:57 AM
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Check out the fifth gear video on you tube - csl verses normal round anglesea with Tiff. I think its 2 seconds quicker.

Lots of differences and lightenings, the steering rack is very key Im told and the noise is pretty special. Its one of those cars that makes you feel special as soon as you sit inside it- big bucket alcantaras, carbon all over the place. Lots of the boys on the mtorque forum track them regularly, brakes are a popular upgrade as is a second set of wheels.

Id have one as a toy, maybe even a daily.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 04:20 AM
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No matter how good an M3 or M3 CSL is, I can't get excited over looking at another 3 Series coup
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