Nicked for speeding last week
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From: Nottingham
Seeing it is new, its googles' fault
As a cyclist its very easy to get angry if some twunt in a metal box nearly kills you
Cuts both ways i think. I hate these lycra clad tools doing 5 a breast on roads where that is clearly dangerous. The other day i rounded a bend on an NSL to find some prick on a f@#king horse for christs sake
The common thread is that people are thick and think their safety is someone elses problem
As a cyclist its very easy to get angry if some twunt in a metal box nearly kills you
Cuts both ways i think. I hate these lycra clad tools doing 5 a breast on roads where that is clearly dangerous. The other day i rounded a bend on an NSL to find some prick on a f@#king horse for christs sake
The common thread is that people are thick and think their safety is someone elses problem
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From: ...by a lake...somewhere
The speed course trainers said cyclists and horse riders are told to stay 2 abreast and centre of road to force drivers to overtake you. Completely true. It was just another nugget of nonsense you were fed.
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From: In the land of pies and pasties
Imagine a discussion around a table of motorists - all owning different power output cars (and motorbikes, if you like). The subject is speeding - and why you drive the car you own.
The general pattern of conversation may eventually emerge that the ones in the higher output vehicles wants to push on,overtake or "speed" to get from A to B. Why then would they complain, that their 420bhp M3 for example keeps getting flashed by plod when someone else on the table has a 100bhp Focus that has no motoring convictions to date? Truth is, and I don't give a hoot what the attitude is - you buy a 250bhp+ car to occasionally break the law. Otherwise - why would you be buying it? All about behaviours in reality. Some may think - Christ, what IS the point of 400 horsepower in a 30? Where can you REALLY exploit the cars FULL potential (not half or 3/4) on a public road? Nowhere.
Also...
Most don't take their beloved Sunday morning car-washing trophy to the track because in reality
a) they can't drive it properly & too frightened to crash it
b) they're too tight to pay the track fees
c) they CBA or other commitments
d) its a lease car
e) its theirs but don't want the extra consumables bill
The Speed awareness courses are designed to be straight, back to basics and it's widely understood how patronising they seem to be. Truth is, we develop bad habits over years and become blind to our own needs. The world suddenly sped up a few years ago, life moves pretty fast anyway and the Govt cracking the whip on the roads is expected. I also found the course a bit dreary but I did get some things out of it. And a bonus that one of the 20-odd year old birds sat opposite had a cracking set of knockers to gawp at for 4 hours...
ATEOTD - many of you will sod off from the high horsepower steeds and go the classic route if you're a true car nut. It's more fun, less likely to get you into trouble and you can have a tinker in the garage to get away from Maude. I think once the brutal power ownership cars are out of your system, you'll perhaps feel less stressed about speeding. Just my brutal opinion - don't be offended!
The general pattern of conversation may eventually emerge that the ones in the higher output vehicles wants to push on,overtake or "speed" to get from A to B. Why then would they complain, that their 420bhp M3 for example keeps getting flashed by plod when someone else on the table has a 100bhp Focus that has no motoring convictions to date? Truth is, and I don't give a hoot what the attitude is - you buy a 250bhp+ car to occasionally break the law. Otherwise - why would you be buying it? All about behaviours in reality. Some may think - Christ, what IS the point of 400 horsepower in a 30? Where can you REALLY exploit the cars FULL potential (not half or 3/4) on a public road? Nowhere.
Also...
Most don't take their beloved Sunday morning car-washing trophy to the track because in reality
a) they can't drive it properly & too frightened to crash it
b) they're too tight to pay the track fees
c) they CBA or other commitments
d) its a lease car
e) its theirs but don't want the extra consumables bill
The Speed awareness courses are designed to be straight, back to basics and it's widely understood how patronising they seem to be. Truth is, we develop bad habits over years and become blind to our own needs. The world suddenly sped up a few years ago, life moves pretty fast anyway and the Govt cracking the whip on the roads is expected. I also found the course a bit dreary but I did get some things out of it. And a bonus that one of the 20-odd year old birds sat opposite had a cracking set of knockers to gawp at for 4 hours...
ATEOTD - many of you will sod off from the high horsepower steeds and go the classic route if you're a true car nut. It's more fun, less likely to get you into trouble and you can have a tinker in the garage to get away from Maude. I think once the brutal power ownership cars are out of your system, you'll perhaps feel less stressed about speeding. Just my brutal opinion - don't be offended!
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From: Market Harborough, Leics.
Its absolutely ridiculous this 3rd and 2nd business they were on about, be ready for it. They bleat about slow = better economy then tell the idiots that 3rd is the future. Err, revs love?
Yes, the noise aspect of 3rd was mentioned a few times. By then I had given up involving myself and just kept going to the loo.
Yes, the noise aspect of 3rd was mentioned a few times. By then I had given up involving myself and just kept going to the loo.
On my course the 3rd gear thing was discussed, but it was part of a discussion raised by people who felt they had only exceeded the speed limit because they'd let their speed drift above 30mph going downhill or similar. The gear selection thing was discussed as one of a few 'tools' that people could use to help them control their speed. It was certainly not being championed as the best way to control your speed.
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From: Costa del Cornwall
Anyone notice Clarkson has just been done, apparently exceeding the limit by so much he wasn't given the awareness course as an option, It would have bean great if he had smuggled a camera in. By (apparently) coincidence on the very road he had ranted about in his column in the Sun a week earlier.
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The general pattern of conversation may eventually emerge that the ones in the higher output vehicles wants to push on,overtake or "speed" to get from A to B. Why then would they complain, that their 420bhp M3 for example keeps getting flashed by plod when someone else on the table has a 100bhp Focus that has no motoring convictions to date? Truth is, and I don't give a hoot what the attitude is - you buy a 250bhp+ car to occasionally break the law. Otherwise - why would you be buying it? All about behaviours in reality. Some may think - Christ, what IS the point of 400 horsepower in a 30? Where can you REALLY exploit the cars FULL potential (not half or 3/4) on a public road? Nowhere.
Also...
Most don't take their beloved Sunday morning car-washing trophy to the track because in reality
a) they can't drive it properly & too frightened to crash it
b) they're too tight to pay the track fees
c) they CBA or other commitments
d) its a lease car
e) its theirs but don't want the extra consumables bill
The Speed awareness courses are designed to be straight, back to basics and it's widely understood how patronising they seem to be. Truth is, we develop bad habits over years and become blind to our own needs. The world suddenly sped up a few years ago, life moves pretty fast anyway and the Govt cracking the whip on the roads is expected. I also found the course a bit dreary but I did get some things out of it. And a bonus that one of the 20-odd year old birds sat opposite had a cracking set of knockers to gawp at for 4 hours...
ATEOTD - many of you will sod off from the high horsepower steeds and go the classic route if you're a true car nut. It's more fun, less likely to get you into trouble and you can have a tinker in the garage to get away from Maude. I think once the brutal power ownership cars are out of your system, you'll perhaps feel less stressed about speeding. Just my brutal opinion - don't be offended!
Also...
Most don't take their beloved Sunday morning car-washing trophy to the track because in reality
a) they can't drive it properly & too frightened to crash it
b) they're too tight to pay the track fees
c) they CBA or other commitments
d) its a lease car
e) its theirs but don't want the extra consumables bill
The Speed awareness courses are designed to be straight, back to basics and it's widely understood how patronising they seem to be. Truth is, we develop bad habits over years and become blind to our own needs. The world suddenly sped up a few years ago, life moves pretty fast anyway and the Govt cracking the whip on the roads is expected. I also found the course a bit dreary but I did get some things out of it. And a bonus that one of the 20-odd year old birds sat opposite had a cracking set of knockers to gawp at for 4 hours...
ATEOTD - many of you will sod off from the high horsepower steeds and go the classic route if you're a true car nut. It's more fun, less likely to get you into trouble and you can have a tinker in the garage to get away from Maude. I think once the brutal power ownership cars are out of your system, you'll perhaps feel less stressed about speeding. Just my brutal opinion - don't be offended!
But in the bit about getting from A to B quickly you missed the point that you can legally get past the Focus, Fiesta and slow fuckers in general in minimum time with maximum safety with 420bhp and the acceleration, handling and brakes to match.
Personally as a
driver my time was free and the local course was given by experienced drivers - one an ex biker - and I learned (and remembered) quite a lot of useful stuff. Driving in low gears wasn't on their agenda.Since then I have not had the chance of another course for two very good reasons
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From: In the land of pies and pasties
Anyone notice Clarkson has just been done, apparently exceeding the limit by so much he wasn't given the awareness course as an option, It would have bean great if he had smuggled a camera in. By (apparently) coincidence on the very road he had ranted about in his column in the Sun a week earlier.
And he needs to brush his teeth
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From: In the land of pies and pasties
Originally Posted by s2k4tony' timestamp='1413790827' post='23375488
The general pattern of conversation may eventually emerge that the ones in the higher output vehicles wants to push on,overtake or "speed" to get from A to B. Why then would they complain, that their 420bhp M3 for example keeps getting flashed by plod when someone else on the table has a 100bhp Focus that has no motoring convictions to date? Truth is, and I don't give a hoot what the attitude is - you buy a 250bhp+ car to occasionally break the law. Otherwise - why would you be buying it? All about behaviours in reality. Some may think - Christ, what IS the point of 400 horsepower in a 30? Where can you REALLY exploit the cars FULL potential (not half or 3/4) on a public road? Nowhere.
Also...
Most don't take their beloved Sunday morning car-washing trophy to the track because in reality
a) they can't drive it properly & too frightened to crash it
b) they're too tight to pay the track fees
c) they CBA or other commitments
d) its a lease car
e) its theirs but don't want the extra consumables bill
The Speed awareness courses are designed to be straight, back to basics and it's widely understood how patronising they seem to be. Truth is, we develop bad habits over years and become blind to our own needs. The world suddenly sped up a few years ago, life moves pretty fast anyway and the Govt cracking the whip on the roads is expected. I also found the course a bit dreary but I did get some things out of it. And a bonus that one of the 20-odd year old birds sat opposite had a cracking set of knockers to gawp at for 4 hours...
ATEOTD - many of you will sod off from the high horsepower steeds and go the classic route if you're a true car nut. It's more fun, less likely to get you into trouble and you can have a tinker in the garage to get away from Maude. I think once the brutal power ownership cars are out of your system, you'll perhaps feel less stressed about speeding. Just my brutal opinion - don't be offended!
Also...
Most don't take their beloved Sunday morning car-washing trophy to the track because in reality
a) they can't drive it properly & too frightened to crash it
b) they're too tight to pay the track fees
c) they CBA or other commitments
d) its a lease car
e) its theirs but don't want the extra consumables bill
The Speed awareness courses are designed to be straight, back to basics and it's widely understood how patronising they seem to be. Truth is, we develop bad habits over years and become blind to our own needs. The world suddenly sped up a few years ago, life moves pretty fast anyway and the Govt cracking the whip on the roads is expected. I also found the course a bit dreary but I did get some things out of it. And a bonus that one of the 20-odd year old birds sat opposite had a cracking set of knockers to gawp at for 4 hours...
ATEOTD - many of you will sod off from the high horsepower steeds and go the classic route if you're a true car nut. It's more fun, less likely to get you into trouble and you can have a tinker in the garage to get away from Maude. I think once the brutal power ownership cars are out of your system, you'll perhaps feel less stressed about speeding. Just my brutal opinion - don't be offended!
But in the bit about getting from A to B quickly you missed the point that you can legally get past the Focus, Fiesta and slow fuckers in general in minimum time with maximum safety with 420bhp and the acceleration, handling and brakes to match.
Personally as a
driver my time was free and the local course was given by experienced drivers - one an ex biker - and I learned (and remembered) quite a lot of useful stuff. Driving in low gears wasn't on their agenda.Since then I have not had the chance of another course for two very good reasons
True - but it's about reigning in those behaviours passing others. Horns come out one's head when you're cut up/overtaken unexpectedly or whatever.
You know where i'm coming from. I had all this in my 330d, which could jump from 20-50mph in a blink, almost 400torques and instant propulsion got you into trouble rather quickly. Addictive? Yes.. Liked hearing the 6 pot gurgle (even for a derv) - yes.
I had the argument at my course a few years ago - ive been on 2 now (when I was driving another diesel) that my 330d manual would be straining a bit in 3rd, and that the fuel economy loss would mean "whats the point" in owning it. Its not always relevant to say 3rd is best.
Saying that, my old man drives everywhere in a low gear (1.2 Corsa). Normally he has a queue building behind him....