The S2000 point of no return..
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From: Stanmore
Data was taken from the dearly departed www.track-challenge.de site, so is accurate enough. Even if it weren't it wouldn't matter. We have one car with a lot more power than another, and that's all I'm trying to illustrate here.
Don't forget that the C car is starting from a higher speed, so is covering a lot more ground to begin with.
I did forget one thing, and that is the lead that the C car will have having gone round the corner faster. If it's 10m ahead, the P car won't catch it before the next corner.
Essentially, it all comes down to Turbo Nutter Barges in the end. C cars are faster on most circuits.
If you have enough of a power advantage or long enough straights, then a P car will be faster.
Fastest of all will be the car with the best driver.
Don't forget that the C car is starting from a higher speed, so is covering a lot more ground to begin with.
I did forget one thing, and that is the lead that the C car will have having gone round the corner faster. If it's 10m ahead, the P car won't catch it before the next corner.
Essentially, it all comes down to Turbo Nutter Barges in the end. C cars are faster on most circuits.
If you have enough of a power advantage or long enough straights, then a P car will be faster.
Fastest of all will be the car with the best driver.
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Watch this from 4:30. my car is a fair bit quicker in a straight line than the MX-5 but watch what happens through the corners.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NemxtP-Vts [/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NemxtP-Vts [/media]
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Originally Posted by Dembo,Feb 7 2010, 10:14 PM
I'm not sure about that. If you arrive at every corner faster it's going to change the way you deal with the corner. The braking is going to be more significant, and you'll probably be inclined to take a different line to maximize the braking rather than the corner entry.
All other things being equal (corner entry speed, weight, tyres, geo etc.), you'll take the same line into the corner as you did before.
There may be a consideration on exit, if the power increase is significant enough to overcome the driven tyres, which might also work back through to corner entry, but greater speed of approach just means brake earlier.
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I was waiting for the maestro to comment!
Makes sense to me.
While there are a few point and squirt drivers out there (seen a few Atoms) I don't think anyone who has been doing track stuff a while, will be taking corners any worse because of a power hike.
Although i'm sort of looking forwards to a step back in pace with the S, and also cornering in something a little more tricky.
Makes sense to me.
While there are a few point and squirt drivers out there (seen a few Atoms) I don't think anyone who has been doing track stuff a while, will be taking corners any worse because of a power hike.
Although i'm sort of looking forwards to a step back in pace with the S, and also cornering in something a little more tricky.
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Originally Posted by MB,Feb 8 2010, 11:44 AM
I was waiting for the maestro to comment!
Makes sense to me.
While there are a few point and squirt drivers out there (seen a few Atoms) I don't think anyone who has been doing track stuff a while, will be taking corners any worse because of a power hike.
Although i'm sort of looking forwards to a step back in pace with the S, and also cornering in something a little more tricky.
Makes sense to me.
While there are a few point and squirt drivers out there (seen a few Atoms) I don't think anyone who has been doing track stuff a while, will be taking corners any worse because of a power hike.
Although i'm sort of looking forwards to a step back in pace with the S, and also cornering in something a little more tricky.
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Originally Posted by ge2,Feb 5 2010, 07:54 AM
The Exige is the obvious choice to me but MB's shown that it's not that simple.
I know everyone knows it already but I'll say it again - there is no such thing as a half track/half road car. It'll just end up being good at one and bad at the other or average at both.
If I was in your position (and I have been), I'd be asking myself what it is I *really* want to get out of it.
Do you enjoy driving on the track more than the road? Is it the modifying or just owning a nice car?
I think a lot of people are missing out on the real fun because they put too much emphasis on the car and not enough on what they're actually doing with it.
I consider myself quite lucky because I can answer that question quite easily and have access to very cheap secure storage.
It helped with the initial step but if things were to change I'd find another way, in fact I've already got a plan B
For me everything revolves around the track. Or so I tell myself - if that were really the case I would've swapped my Subaru for a 320d or a 1k diesel shitter years ago
I know everyone knows it already but I'll say it again - there is no such thing as a half track/half road car. It'll just end up being good at one and bad at the other or average at both.
If I was in your position (and I have been), I'd be asking myself what it is I *really* want to get out of it.
Do you enjoy driving on the track more than the road? Is it the modifying or just owning a nice car?
I think a lot of people are missing out on the real fun because they put too much emphasis on the car and not enough on what they're actually doing with it.
I consider myself quite lucky because I can answer that question quite easily and have access to very cheap secure storage.
It helped with the initial step but if things were to change I'd find another way, in fact I've already got a plan B
For me everything revolves around the track. Or so I tell myself - if that were really the case I would've swapped my Subaru for a 320d or a 1k diesel shitter years ago
I'd also add, unsubtly, to remove the 2 bollox from the equation and ask can you drive the current car properly?
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