I think a lot of counties only offer the course if it is your first offence and your speed is 36 mph or less because 37 or 38 is clearly in a different league of speeding to 36 mph.

What I find amazing is that you are supposed to believe the police when they tell you about the offence but instead of sending you the proof at the time of the NIP you need to write in to request it. The two NIPs I received had my registration but did not describe the model and make of the car so how am I to believe that it was my car without any proof. The first NIP I was aware of because I saw the van, the second one was a suprise to me so I requested the blackmail photos.

If you do request the photos it is recommended that you write a short letter asking for photographs to aid in indentification of the driver even though you know who was driving at the time. It is recommended that you do not use "proof" or "evidence" in the letter. The general consensus is to leave it to the last possible moment before sending in the paper work and if a reminder gets sent, ignore the first letter and wait for the reminder. Make them work for the money.

Basically, you will not be able to get out of paying the ransom so why pay it straight away, delaying the paperwork will give you around two months until you need to shell out the cash.

 

I got done for 36 in a 30 and got offered a course. It was a real laugh as it was held by 'Yokle' driving instructors in Poole as opposed to my nearest one in Crawley which I'm told lasts 8 hours (as opposed my 4 hour one) and is delivered by Plod who throw guilt all day.

All in all they are a pile of shit and a waste of time but are better then points which in my opinion are just a trigger for the rest of the parasites to treat you as a criminal and 'price' you accordingly.

At 36 you should get an offer of a course and my advice would be to take it.

 

Ask for the photos but do not mention the word "evidence".

State that you need the photo to help establish who was driving the car in question at the time.

 

Speed kills.

 

but guns are more fun

 

Why not ?

What else would you call it ?

Evidence does not necessarily prove a case

And the burden of proof lies with the prosecution in this case

 

They are under no obligation to provide you evidence when you get a NIP. If you ask for evidence, they may refuse to give you the photo.

They only have to share evidence with you when you go to court.

However, you are entitled to have a fair chance of confirming who was driving the car. So if you ask for this, a photo will be forthcoming.

 

Morning !!

It is still all evidence

Hence my post

 

Check your NIP there may be a weblink to see the pics online, thats what Northumbria Police do.

 

1) True.

But many FPN offices will.

2) Under the Rules of Evidence, evidence must be served prior to attending court.

But a not guilty plea must be entered in order for the prosecution to adhere
to these rules

So, I take your point

3) Not necessarily and the onus is on the owner to provide details of who was driving

That is why NIP's must be served within 14 days (so you can remember)

Unless given verbally at the time of the offence

Or unless the offence relates to an "accident"