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Old Apr 12, 2014 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2
I have a neutral experience of both Honda and BMW

I would err away from a Toyota based on the number of headlines they make on stuff like this I think. I don't view them as 'as reliable as Honda'

And the 2009 s2000 issues show honda to be within contempt IMO
Have a look at the sort of things being recalled for. Last years big one was a sticking door switch on 10 year old cars that if you squirted wd40 onto might short and melt the casing. One big one earlier this year. A software glitch on Prius that could cause a loss of power. Something like 1 vehicle affected in Europe. Sometimes even I think why the hell are we recalling for that.

With the whole un intended acceleration thing I think the final conclusion was a technical vindication but procedural criticism. Therefore you see this type of reaction
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Old Apr 12, 2014 | 01:39 AM
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So I come back to my issue with my Audi their response to date ., which has been diagnostic says no fault , go away ,
I have yet to demonstrate the problem to a dealer , so are far as Audi are concerned I am telling porkies , end of.
I have been left in awkward if not dangerouS situations on the road , I have witnesses to the problem

Audi UK are in total denial and have even said try and reject the car and we will do everything we can to resist it, there is nothing wrong with the car
I have found one or two other refer aces to this on the net , but generally Audi forums are packed with acolytes who never cities Audi and I have sneaking suspicion that Audi also have people in the forums
Many Audi drivers not wishing to criticise it's seems turn it off on every drive the SS. System , I might add it works perfectly on our little Jazz in the most unobtrusive way.
Also the warranty is pretty poor by current standards 60k or 3 years , in Germany it's only 2 years ! Doesn't say a lot for the confidence they have in their own products
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Old Apr 12, 2014 | 05:32 AM
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What is the actual problem?
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Old Apr 12, 2014 | 10:34 PM
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I've had lots of vag cars, never had this problem. Been good cars. I think you got Friday lemon
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Old Apr 13, 2014 | 01:57 AM
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""I made the mistake of buying a Renault a few years ago. The damed thing kept dropping into 'limp' mode...quite exciting when it chose to do this on a busy M25 whilst I was in the fast lane doing 80-odd miles an hour. It certainly felt unsafe to me (and I daresay to the poor souls who took some quite imaginative evasive action to avoid my rapidly slowing car).""

Ian I'm sure you meant 80Kph not 80Mph this is a public forum.
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Old Apr 13, 2014 | 02:07 AM
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From Fluffyninja's post I thought this was interesting-



I think I'll avoid Bridgestone tyres next change! and Honda don't even appear on that list, is it because they haven't caused any deaths or just that their recalls seem to be more, loose this or dangly that? further up on that post it show that Honda have more recalled cars than Toyota but possibly for less serious faults.
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Old Apr 13, 2014 | 06:51 AM
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Well, that's the entire point; you cannot easily compare like with like.

The Ford Explorer/Bridgestone thing was for one of the best-selling vehicles in the USA. How many journeys DIDN'T result in an accident?

GM; 5.8M with loose suspension bolts; the Acura RLX is such a sales disaster, it's but a few thousand cars with the same issue.

The EU Civic had a recall because the steering column shroud snapped loose. I think no-one died.

Like Chippo's car, we had a 106 that randomly stalled when decelerating to a stop. THAT was dangerous, and similar instances were ignored over several models & over a decade by PSA.
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Old Apr 13, 2014 | 10:21 AM
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I think chip has a lemon but it tells a story about customer service.

I would put Honda in that ballpark too though ime

BMW (for me) much better

But the S is a dream to own. Sticky calipers and a rusty brake line in 12 years incl numerous track days. Great car. But then we know that. Mostly

The only vag I have (Golf) has been reliable too. Just a faulty bonnet switch to annoy. Good mpg and a great balance between grip and compliance ime
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Old Apr 13, 2014 | 11:21 AM
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The problem is simple , randomly , the engine fails to restart after a Stop start cycle. Sometimes does nothing, some times cranks the engine and fails to start
Th dealers are hopeless and so are Audi UK , they do not even know how the system works or how it works it appear they haven't eve read the handbook!
The car it's self is ok nothing special poor fuel economy , poor dash ergonomics, poor ride quality, terrible electric hand brake system, poor auto lights , poor auto. Wipers, poor heater, dead steering, another intermittent fault now MMI screen flashes on and off randomly, hits more speed bumps than the S poor ground clearance.
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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 03:36 AM
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OK, so I would have said that wasn't inherantly dangerous.
Any failure of the system will occur in the vehicle being in a stopped condition and therefore for any accident to occur there must be a third party intervension.
i.e. another motor up the chuff.
It's no more dangerous than a stall and other road users should be taking precautions to avoid a car in front of them (at a set of lights you should be waiting for the car ahead to move away before starting to move yourself)

I would suspect that is why it isn't being categorised as "dangerous"

Compare that with a total steering failure and you'd almost certainly be in an accident. The two scenarios don't directly compare.

That said it sounds like a pi$$ poor case of customer service.
What reg is the car? You owned from new?
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