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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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Look forward to that Rich
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 12:45 PM
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Oh yes - a productive weekend!
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelk,Mar 29 2009, 03:57 PM
Didn't Mark B post up once that it's the only car that has scared him acceleration wise with a reference to being in a catapult's sling and then "released" like a shot.
He did

I likened it to being picked up and physically thrown down the road. It was powered by a 600bhp 6ltr supercharged Chevvy LS2, which was detuned from 800bhp.

The guy who got me into racing has built 2.

They're essentially top-flight kit cars in the same vein as Gardner Douglas (give me a GDT70 anyday though). Ultima was Lee Noble's creation so they handle well, can take big power and if built correctly and without compromise, will be reliable.

But that's the rub - built correctly.

Ultima provide new parts for everything that matters, you then source an engine (most builders go for a 'crate' engine from the US, ie. a brand new engine in a crate) and transaxle (don't buy one without a Porsche G50 transaxle, the surest sign the builder skimped is if it's fitted with a Renault transaxle) along with other sundries. The factory also do turn-key cars, and if I were you Pete, that's where I'd be going first - they'll also know of good ones for sale if you don't buy direct from them.

The engine should be a Chevvy LS model, avoid Rover or BMW engined cars. The Chevvy is a pushrod V8, and while most manufacturers left pushrods behind long ago, Chevrolet tried newer head designs and found they could make as much power with a simple pushrod but without the complexity of overhead cams and chains - the engine is solid, simple and reliable, and will output from around 350bhp in standard LS1 form, to well over 1000bhp in supercharged LS7 form with pretty much anything in-between.

It drives like any other GT car, very well balanced front to back and unlike the Exige, the engine is further toward the middle of the car - this however means that it can be quite twitchy - get on the power hard out of a corner and it will spit you off in a second. The torque from the engine is immense, even in a 'standard' 350bhp LS1 car, big capacity engines never disappoint on that score. That said, it's much better balanced than most road cars, the layout is pure mid-engined racer, they're reliable if they're built properly and they turn heads like nothing else.

And nothing on earth sounds as good as a tuned American V8.
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova,Mar 29 2009, 01:22 PM
There was one on Burnie's New Year drive. I think Burnie knows the owner so might be able to put you in touch...
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkB,Mar 30 2009, 08:58 AM
The factory also do turn-key cars, and if I were you Pete, that's where I'd be going first - they'll also know of good ones for sale if you don't buy direct from them.
yeah I wouldn't be cutting any corners

they are not exactly common, so most cars are 'known' in one place or another

I am vacillating between supercharging the M5 and the Ultima

both would be circa 600bhp but the latter would be warp speed

but the former would be about
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 09:38 AM
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While supercharging the M5 would be awesome (and I always applaud such things) I still think the Ultima would be much for satisfying as a toy. Sense of occasion and all.

But the thought of punishing supercars in a big saloon is far too tempting
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 09:41 AM
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look at these numbers........

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/Conten...?f=performance

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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 09:51 AM
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30-70 in 1.8 seconds

That is utter madness.

I can't even imagine that.

It seems to be able to do 0-100 and back to rest again in almost the same time I can hit 100!

Where do I sign?
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 10:01 AM
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Yeah yeah, but where are the in gear times?

Supercharging the M5 seems wrong somehow, especially if it's as mint as I imagine it is.

It has to be the Ultima
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 10:02 AM
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I've never driven one, but I'd love a go. They look brilliant.

I've seen lots at track days, but they never go very fast on the track (I dont know why this is , as they are undoubtably quick, maybe the owners cant drive well enough?), and always seem to break down.

I think if you get one, you've got to get a high power version ~600hp. no point in doing something by halves.

I cant imagine them being any good on the road though, I'd imagine they are harsh , uncomfortable, noisy, probably the worst car to choose for a continental blast. But thats just my perception, maybe they'd be quite good
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