Bush Steps in to aid in Hurricane Katrina.
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Originally Posted by s2000qtee,Sep 5 2005, 07:30 AM
What about the people in the Superdome who died? People in nursing homes? People already in the hospitals? People who were victims of crazy looters? People who died on the streets trying to get out? People who died from lack of water, heat and lack of medication?
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Originally Posted by jedwards,Sep 5 2005, 10:53 AM
NP it can. The levees are and have always been a federal responsibility. They were built by and are maintained by the Army Corps of Engineers.
Once again... GW allocated funds for their improvement and then withdrew those funds.
Neither the State nor the City could improve on the levee system even if it wanted to. As for the total lack of security in NO after the disaster, this was a failing of the Homeland Security.
Once again... GW allocated funds for their improvement and then withdrew those funds.
Neither the State nor the City could improve on the levee system even if it wanted to. As for the total lack of security in NO after the disaster, this was a failing of the Homeland Security.
However, it is still a local issue. If LA was so aware of the impending danger, why did they continue to wait for federal funding? This issue has also been around longer than GW. Are you claiming that they never asked for funding from Clinton?
How early in GW's first term would he have needed to give funding in order for everything to have been completed?
I actually don't care about those answers because I still do not believe it is ultimately the federal government's responsibility. State and local officials should have been looking at alternatives. Also, reinforcing the leevees is no guarantee against any future hurricane.
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 5 2005, 01:55 PM
The leevee systems became a federal responsibility only because LA originally got the federal government and the Army Corps of Engs to build it.
However, it is still a local issue. If LA was so aware of the impending danger, why did they continue to wait for federal funding? This issue has also been around longer than GW. Are you claiming that they never asked for funding from Clinton?
So LA should have asked for more but it wasn't until LSU did the Hurr Pam project that anyone knew the real imapact. They bloody should have but didn't. BUT. Since the levees are the responsibility of the ACE... why didn' they know?
How early in GW's first term would he have needed to give funding in order for everything to have been completed?
Locals have their responsibility but the Feds are dodging their's. Americans who aid that dodge are not doing a service to their fellow American's... their being political toadies.
I actually don't care about those answers because I still do not believe it is ultimately the federal government's responsibility. State and local officials should have been looking at alternatives. Also, reinforcing the leevees is no guarantee against any future hurricane.
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Originally Posted by jedwards,Sep 5 2005, 02:07 PM
Well I'm not sure that's a reasonable question. If the answer is 12 years is that any reason *not* to do it AND to revoke the funding that had been allocated?
Locals have their responsibility but the Feds are dodging their's. Americans who aid that dodge are not doing a service to their fellow American's... their being political toadies.
Locals have their responsibility but the Feds are dodging their's. Americans who aid that dodge are not doing a service to their fellow American's... their being political toadies.
Americans who make other Americans believe that their federal governemt can always protect them are doing a disservice.
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Originally Posted by http://hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/phillyinquirer100804.htm
Experts say it will take a combination of higher levees, new floodgates and restored wetlands to save New Orleans. And time is not an ally; hurricane-protection projects are moving slowly, even as the threat seems to grow each year.
"It's possible to protect New Orleans from a Category 5 hurricane," said Al Naomi, senior project manager for the Corps of Engineers. "But we've got to start. To do nothing is tantamount to negligence."
It could take 20 years and at least $1 billion to raise the levees high enough and to build floodgates at the mouth of Lake Pontchartrain, Naomi said.
The corps hoped to begin a study this year of the steps necessary and the costs. Just the study would take four years and cost $4 million, Naomi said, but the money is not in the federal budget for 2005, though the Senate has yet to act.
"It's possible to protect New Orleans from a Category 5 hurricane," said Al Naomi, senior project manager for the Corps of Engineers. "But we've got to start. To do nothing is tantamount to negligence."
It could take 20 years and at least $1 billion to raise the levees high enough and to build floodgates at the mouth of Lake Pontchartrain, Naomi said.
The corps hoped to begin a study this year of the steps necessary and the costs. Just the study would take four years and cost $4 million, Naomi said, but the money is not in the federal budget for 2005, though the Senate has yet to act.
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 5 2005, 02:19 PM
Why is it not reasonable when people are blaming the lack of funding for this disaster?
Americans who make other Americans believe that their federal governemt can always protect them are doing a disservice.
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Americans who make other Americans believe that their federal governemt can always protect them are doing a disservice.
oliticaltoad:If it's going to take 20 years and $1B then feckin do it or close the city. That is the responsibility of the US govt. Are you saying that those bozos in DC are off the hook because they couldn't have done in on time?
If they had started last May I'd have said, 'hey shit happens. Too bad they didn't do it sooner but they didn't have the data'.Do you know about Hurricane Pam? Seems to me it was all over the press but idiots in the govt did not give the ACE money to do the job. Srs in the ACE are partly to blame... but the levees are a Fed job and they didn't do it.
Did they? Nope they allocated money for pork barrels. That's been on the news for weeks too. You've seen it right?
GW is a bumpkin goober. He's been so preoccupied with his war he has fecked over most of the country. Watch the news tonight. There's a bunch on how his admin has fecked up the FEMA too.
What a disgrace this is. There's a ton of idiots in control... from city to state to feds. I can't believe people want to let the feds hide. That is every bit as much of a disgrace as the inaction itself. That an American can't be proud of his country if his or her leader has fecked up... I don't get it.
Boots on the ground Americans who are working this problem through.... hat's off to you, you poor uber brave SOBs. Too bad your leaders can't find their ass with both hands. Same thing goes to those young kids in Irag and Afganistan...
their out there working hard while it's their commander in chief's ego at stake. WMD...
I guess we've turned that into a joke now.
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 5 2005, 02:42 PM
Originally Posted by http://hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/phillyinquirer100804.htm
Experts say it will take a combination of higher levees, new floodgates and restored wetlands to save New Orleans. And time is not an ally; hurricane-protection projects are moving slowly, even as the threat seems to grow each year.
"It's possible to protect New Orleans from a Category 5 hurricane," said Al Naomi, senior project manager for the Corps of Engineers. "But we've got to start. To do nothing is tantamount to negligence."
It could take 20 years and at least $1 billion to raise the levees high enough and to build floodgates at the mouth of Lake Pontchartrain, Naomi said.
The corps hoped to begin a study this year of the steps necessary and the costs. Just the study would take four years and cost $4 million, Naomi said, but the money is not in the federal budget for 2005, though the Senate has yet to act.
"It's possible to protect New Orleans from a Category 5 hurricane," said Al Naomi, senior project manager for the Corps of Engineers. "But we've got to start. To do nothing is tantamount to negligence."
It could take 20 years and at least $1 billion to raise the levees high enough and to build floodgates at the mouth of Lake Pontchartrain, Naomi said.
The corps hoped to begin a study this year of the steps necessary and the costs. Just the study would take four years and cost $4 million, Naomi said, but the money is not in the federal budget for 2005, though the Senate has yet to act.
Maybe now something will get done... as usual too late for the thousands who died.
is that from your mouth, or our trusty leader?
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Originally Posted by s2000qtee,Sep 5 2005, 10:30 AM
What about the people in the Superdome who died? People in nursing homes? People already in the hospitals? People who were victims of crazy looters? People who died on the streets trying to get out? People who died from lack of water, heat and lack of medication?