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From my understanding of this whole situation:

1. An individual made a poor passing decision.
2. A discussion was had with the individual(s) involved.
3. That individual realizes his mistake, understands that he made a poor decision and has apologized for it and agreed that nothing like it will ever happen agian.

Lets let it go.

I sure am glad I've NEVER made a poor driving decision!

The rules are pretty well understood by everyone I believe. We did have written routes/directions, there were navigators spaced along in the group so that in the case of the group getting split/cut by other traffic, lights, etc., that the stragglers would catch back up, and we covered that prior to setting off.

If you believe there was some procedural error or group driving system breakdown that must be rectified for safety's sake please post it up. Or anything else constructive for that matter.

I don't see the need for all the melodrama.

 

wow ... okay. Thanks for you input. I'll be sure to watch this board just to know where this S2000 group holds it's drives and be sure to avoid it.

I had a feeling people would categorize this as 'overdramatic' and try to make light of it. And they still don't understand or even read the posts and suggestions entirely.

I really hope none of you have to experience what happens when a situation like this turns truely tragic -->when someone gets hurt and they are related to you ... or it is you. Because no one got hurt this time then everything is fine (remember ... i'm being over-dramatic because it doesn't happen). Your concern is noted.

Thanks spoonsports2k, CaptainMike, 2NR Werks, and usf97j4x4. You've enlightened me and I wish you have safe travels.

So long everyone ... see ya on the road sometime.

 

What can we do to make the drives safer?

When there is an open call we have no control over the drivers nor the driving. I was not there to witness the incident, and it sounds pretty bad. But not being there, I can only speculate as the severity of the actions. We have all taken risks in our vehicles, the debate here is not about taking risks, rather it should be about taking calculated risks and setting expectations high so that few (hopefully nobody) will endanger themselves or others on these group drives.

edit: Passing should be out of the question.

I know Scott pretty well, he wouldn't get this upset if the situation did not warrant it. We do need to rethink these group drives and thier purpose. If it turns into a ego-fest and people showing of how stupid they are with a car, then nothing good can come from it. Disaster awaits. If we can be adults about it and lay down some ground rules that all will follow, we can have a safe fun experience.

I think I speak for all of us when I say that the last thing we want is for anyone to get hurt. I think Scott is trying to use this "near miss" to serve as a lesson to us all. Let's be careful out there and not encourage bad behaviour.

 

This is what I was referring to in terms of melodrama.

It really is possible (even on the internet) to have a productive and constructive discussion about something, though it requires patience and effort on the part of everyone involved.
Believe it or not, that is what I was attempting to do. It becomes much more difficult in the presence of overly dramatic proclimations such as you made in several posts in this thread.

Cheers,
Mike

 

I just PM'd you CaptainMike ... now i have read your latest response here.

Please don't quote just one line from my post without giving thought and credit to the 'meat' of the concern. I quoted the response from 2 people regarding this topic.

Do you or don't you agree with their responses to this scenario? I'll post them again.

jvrabel "Poor judgement indeed but you gotta do what you gotta do when you make a bad call or you end up worm food."

PrimoGen "when the group gets broken or held up, people make sometimes less than perfect decisions while playing catch-up."

This was the response to a situation that could have easily caused physical and mental grief. If you were the vehicle in the oncoming lane or the one required to abruptly adjust a FORD Explorer in braking ... would you be comfortable with that? I can assure you neither driver was and I can say neither would I. I would hope you would not either.

There should be NOTHING wrong with me leaving this community ... obviously it wouldn't be a loss for you so no need for you to be concerned about it. Just continue with your culpability in this matter.

 

now lets move on lets just keep it safe and have fun that's what is all about

 

I just read your PM. FYI I wrote my last post before I read your PM so it is not a response to it.

What responses are you looking for exactly?

What do you consider to be appropriate actions?

Permanant banning from all group events for the individual in question? Public chastisment? Banning from S2KI.com?

What do YOU think is appropriate?

What do you think NEEDS to happen?

Please forgive me if I'm wrong but it just seems like your off on some kind of tear about this whole thing, an individual made an error in judgement. I really don't believe anyone here is attempting to make light of the incident or of you but you arent going to persuade anyone of anything by approaching things like you are in terms of tone/writing style. Some constructive suggestions would be met with far more open ears.

We CAN discuss it constructively without all the accusations and hand wringing.

I'll tell you what I think is appropriate and what I am ALREADY pretty sure will happen post teapot tempest:
There will be a much more detailed statement of group driving rules prior to the commencement to any group drive, perhaps even a written protocol about passing, getting cut off, etc.. At this point I don't know what else we should or can do before the next drive to prevent a repeat and place an even greater emphasis on safety, but I am certainly open to entertaining ideas.

Cheers,
Mike

 

hey bandiscoot i understand what your saying and people have their own opinions and concerns but what happened has happened and i know for damn sure that person knows that he made a bad decision and he knows not to ever do it again. im not calling you overdramatic or anything its just that people make mistakes, even overcautious people make mistakes but people learn from them. the guy feels bad as it is so just let it go. i know the next group drives to come around will get better and safer so please dont be the way you are man. i only met you i think 3 times total and your a cool guy so please dont stop going to the meets/group drives/super meets just because of this mishap. i know me and a lot of others really dont want to see this whole thing blow out of proportion