Boxster vs. S2000
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Originally Posted by chickdr,Sep 24 2007, 08:06 PM
Sure brakes and oil changes cost a bunch if you get them done by the dealer - they are expensive at the Honda dealer too.
Curb appeal is funny too. You really think a Honda has more curb appeal than a Porsche(in what country are we talking about...)
....Hmn.. I wonder if a Honda dealer would charge more than Porsche dealer for brakes..
.. and as for curb appeal, you are comparing the best of Honda against the worst from Porsche. I guess the next argument is that the Cayenne > S2000, since it's a Porsche as well.
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Originally Posted by carrera4,Sep 25 2007, 02:04 AM
The torsional rigidity of an S2 is 22000 Nm/degree whereas a Boxster is around 12,000 Nm/degree. Not sure what you mean by solidity. An X-brace and inner fender braces also go a long way to making it even more solid not to mention a ladder bar.
It looks like you also have an 06 which the lightest sprung and damped model of the S2ks. Also has the the lightest anti-sway bars. Coilovers go a long way to making this car feel firmer.
And for what it's worth I have driven both the boxter and carrera extensively.
EDIT: Not sure if the rigidity number for the S2 is right, seems it's all speculation as no official number has been published.
It looks like you also have an 06 which the lightest sprung and damped model of the S2ks. Also has the the lightest anti-sway bars. Coilovers go a long way to making this car feel firmer.
And for what it's worth I have driven both the boxter and carrera extensively.
EDIT: Not sure if the rigidity number for the S2 is right, seems it's all speculation as no official number has been published.
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Originally Posted by Ermac!,Sep 25 2007, 02:14 AM
....Hmn.. I wonder if a Honda dealer would charge more than Porsche dealer for brakes..
.. and as for curb appeal, you are comparing the best of Honda against the worst from Porsche. I guess the next argument is that the Cayenne > S2000, since it's a Porsche as well.
The "best" of Honda is still just a Honda. Honda's don't get a lot of curb appeal cred except on this board. Yes, I would say a Cayenne would get a lot more respect from most even though it is in an entirely different category from the S2K. Porsche has a mystique Honda can only dream about. This is why a Boxster costs $46K to start and has performance figures close to the $35K S2K... But as I said, a Porsche is a lot more than performance figures
Yes, I was speaking of my 2002 Boxster(which I had since it was new BTW). You seem to think the age of the car has something to do with its wow factor. I can tell you when I was in grad school in 1995-96 I had a 1987 944S. It was in pristine shape and was guards red. It got more looks, thumbs up's and cat calls in the year I had it than I have had with my S2K in almost 2 yrs. A Porsche just has that effect on folks. Doesn't matter that is was worth about $9-10K, or less than even the cheapest new Honda's at the time. It also gave an amazing driving experience.
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Originally Posted by chickdr,Sep 24 2007, 04:59 PM
See now your true colors show... 
A Boxster is not a "real" Porsche? Give me a break. It is the truest example of a Porsche available. Much more in the spirit of the original 356 than the Carrera. How much more of Porsche could it be: 2800lbs, mid-engine, amazing handling/brakes.
A Boxster is not a "real" Porsche? Give me a break. It is the truest example of a Porsche available. Much more in the spirit of the original 356 than the Carrera. How much more of Porsche could it be: 2800lbs, mid-engine, amazing handling/brakes.
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LOL @ an ugly Cayenne SUV getting more street credibility than an s2000.
I think you're in the wrong forum.
Curb appeal is nothing but opinion, as is what effect you think a Boxster has on people. LOL. You keep saying Porsche instead of "Boxster".
The argument isn't that a Porsche Boxster has better braking performance than an S2000; the argument is that a 2002 Porsche Boxster costs way more to maintain than my 2002 Honda S2000, yet is lacking in nearly all aspects.
I've driven a base Porsche Boxster on numerous occasions and I have yet to be impressed by anything more than handling and braking.
I think you're in the wrong forum.
Curb appeal is nothing but opinion, as is what effect you think a Boxster has on people. LOL. You keep saying Porsche instead of "Boxster".
The argument isn't that a Porsche Boxster has better braking performance than an S2000; the argument is that a 2002 Porsche Boxster costs way more to maintain than my 2002 Honda S2000, yet is lacking in nearly all aspects.
I've driven a base Porsche Boxster on numerous occasions and I have yet to be impressed by anything more than handling and braking.
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Originally Posted by carrera4,Sep 24 2007, 07:04 PM
The torsional rigidity of an S2 is 22000 Nm/degree whereas a Boxster is around 12,000 Nm/degree. Not sure what you mean by solidity. An X-brace and inner fender braces also go a long way to making it even more solid not to mention a ladder bar.
It looks like you also have an 06 which the lightest sprung and damped model of the S2ks. Also has the the lightest anti-sway bars. Coilovers go a long way to making this car feel firmer.
And for what it's worth I have driven both the boxter and carrera extensively.
EDIT: Not sure if the rigidity number for the S2 is right, seems it's all speculation as no official number has been published.
It looks like you also have an 06 which the lightest sprung and damped model of the S2ks. Also has the the lightest anti-sway bars. Coilovers go a long way to making this car feel firmer.
And for what it's worth I have driven both the boxter and carrera extensively.
EDIT: Not sure if the rigidity number for the S2 is right, seems it's all speculation as no official number has been published.
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Originally Posted by chickdr,Sep 25 2007, 10:37 AM
Have you actually received a quote from a Porsche dealer for brakes, or are you just guessing? Remember the Boxster has 4 wheel ventillated Bremo's as well. The S2K has relatively mundane units in comparison(although they are quite good IMO).
The "best" of Honda is still just a Honda. Honda's don't get a lot of curb appeal cred except on this board. Yes, I would say a Cayenne would get a lot more respect from most even though it is in an entirely different category from the S2K. Porsche has a mystique Honda can only dream about. This is why a Boxster costs $46K to start and has performance figures close to the $35K S2K... But as I said, a Porsche is a lot more than performance figures
Yes, I was speaking of my 2002 Boxster(which I had since it was new BTW). You seem to think the age of the car has something to do with its wow factor. I can tell you when I was in grad school in 1995-96 I had a 1987 944S. It was in pristine shape and was guards red. It got more looks, thumbs up's and cat calls in the year I had it than I have had with my S2K in almost 2 yrs. A Porsche just has that effect on folks. Doesn't matter that is was worth about $9-10K, or less than even the cheapest new Honda's at the time. It also gave an amazing driving experience.
The "best" of Honda is still just a Honda. Honda's don't get a lot of curb appeal cred except on this board. Yes, I would say a Cayenne would get a lot more respect from most even though it is in an entirely different category from the S2K. Porsche has a mystique Honda can only dream about. This is why a Boxster costs $46K to start and has performance figures close to the $35K S2K... But as I said, a Porsche is a lot more than performance figures
Yes, I was speaking of my 2002 Boxster(which I had since it was new BTW). You seem to think the age of the car has something to do with its wow factor. I can tell you when I was in grad school in 1995-96 I had a 1987 944S. It was in pristine shape and was guards red. It got more looks, thumbs up's and cat calls in the year I had it than I have had with my S2K in almost 2 yrs. A Porsche just has that effect on folks. Doesn't matter that is was worth about $9-10K, or less than even the cheapest new Honda's at the time. It also gave an amazing driving experience.
Like you said it is the BEST of Honda, I'd rather have the best Honda than the cheapest Porsche
Like Richard Hammond says, you only get a Boxster because you can't afford a 911.
Even you decided to get an S2000 instead of another Boxster.
The only thing the Boxster has, a certain "mystique" as you put it, is the Porsche Crest that and only that would allow it to have a starting price of 46k or whatever it is.
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Originally Posted by Dylan Hunt,Sep 25 2007, 10:09 AM
Thats not true, I along with most of the people on BMW forums will give more respect to an S2000 than a Porsche Boxster.
Like you said it is the BEST of Honda, I'd rather have the best Honda than the cheapest Porsche
Like Richard Hammond says, you only get a Boxster because you can't afford a 911.
Even you decided to get an S2000 instead of another Boxster.
The only thing the Boxster has, a certain "mystique" as you put it, is the Porsche Crest that and only that would allow it to have a starting price of 46k or whatever it is.
Like you said it is the BEST of Honda, I'd rather have the best Honda than the cheapest Porsche
Like Richard Hammond says, you only get a Boxster because you can't afford a 911.
Even you decided to get an S2000 instead of another Boxster.
The only thing the Boxster has, a certain "mystique" as you put it, is the Porsche Crest that and only that would allow it to have a starting price of 46k or whatever it is.
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Originally Posted by chickdr,Sep 25 2007, 08:24 AM
You have driven a Boxster and think the S2K is stiffer? Amazing. The Boxster without a fixed roof is just as rigid as the Carrera of the same vintage. The S2K is no slouch on rigidity, but does not give the same unflapable feel of the P-car. When I hit a bump mid corner in my S2K, the car gets jittery. This never happened in my Boxster. My Boxster had the standard suspension as well(no sport package).
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I was going down Angeles Crest Hwy towards Pasadena when I encountered a new boxter S with no plates. The roads where clear so we both did a run. We both had fun but he pulled out of the run after so long. He was having a hard time keeping up, but then again, it looks like he just bought the car. Seems like a heavy car from what I see from my mirror. Probably realized how expensive his car is and slowed down. 