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Old 09-14-2004, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Sep 15 2004, 01:17 AM
Keith posted lots of good info
...yet no fastest time.
Old 09-15-2004, 05:02 AM
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dunno... back with my '00 NA, something around 1:38 and around 125 mph top speed

not sure if i ever kept track of times when i was SC, but remember getting into the 135-140 mph range.

with the 360, again, no times, but get to 150+ down the main straight. i have a PDA-Dyno (OBD-II scanner) for my palm handheld, but it does not connect to the the 360 so i cannot get good lap info. next time out i am going to put my camera in the car and record sessions, i will be able to figure out times from that.
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Sep 15 2004, 12:17 AM
Finally, it doesn't look any better for me regarding this Friday. Keith, do I have any recourse, i.e. reschedule, refund, etc.?
Keith?
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from their site

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If unable to attend an event you've preregistered for, you may reschedule one time, after which your preregistration fee is forfeited. Please call our office to reschedule.

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Summit Point, WV 25446
Tel: (304) 725-6512
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i am still in limbo, calls are "scheduled" for friday, but they have not sent out the times yet. supposedly it is for early friday, but most are in california, so that makes it looks like 10-12 range for us out here, meaning tech/class/1st run times for group 2.
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Sep 15 2004, 08:58 AM
Keith?
Skip, just run in the rain, Its actually really good for learning car control and smoothness. You really have to be smooth though and no VTEC in the corners.

Once you get bumped to group 2, there is rarely a waiting list, so all you do is show up in the morning and get in.

The S02's need to be pumped up to about 35-36PSI cold to help with channeling the water.

Both times I did wet track days, they had dry periods and I was able to get some dry laps in too.

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Keith,

Thanks for the great info.
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Originally Posted by gfacter,Sep 13 2004, 07:35 AM
I have seen as much as 90+MPH in turn 4, nearly 120 on the bike.

The key for that corner is to be on the gas, it seems unnatural but its the fast way around.
IMO the "short shoot between T4 & T5 is the best passing opportunity at the point. Most people have a tendancy to coast out of T4 on the way to T5. Stay to the right and on the gas!
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Originally Posted by gfacter,Sep 13 2004, 11:56 AM
Matt,

Those are great times, considering that,

A: The tires back then were absolute bricks (even the race rubber)

B: Summit Point was known as Slippery Point (it has been repaved a few times since)

And C: Those Kawi triples were the most ill handling, head shakey, cantankerous bikes ever. (I owned a 350 and a 500, crashed the 350 at 110MPH due to speed wobbles)

You would be amazed to ride a current gen street bike on the circuit.

George
Thank you George. Like I stated the H-2 was the scariest thing that I have ever riden. For those that may not be familiar. TheH-2 was a 750CC three clylinder two stroke. This particlular bike was built by a "mad man" and then sold because he needed the money to the person that owned the bike when I rode it. It had a "Bill Wirgess" balanced, ported and polished engine, with 36 MM Mikuni carbs with reed valves and Wirgess expansion chambers.

The first time that I rode it in practice I came back into the pits and when my pit buddy asked: How was it? I responded that I was afraid to take my helmet off! When he asked me why, I responded because at the age of twenty-five I was afraid that I would discover that those practice laps had turned my hair white! I know that my knuckles where.

I owned an S-2 as well but raced my S-3 (400CC) it wobbled so badly after the dip in the start/finish line that people would come up to me after the race and tell me that they were afraid to pass me because the thought I was going to loose it! I used to have to sit up just passed the three hundred foot marker, then spike the rear brake to get it to stop wobbleling before I could grab a handful of front brake at the two hundred foot marker to go into T1. Awww! to be twenty-five again and have that feeling of being invincible.

P.S. I can not help but wonder what laps times that I could turn now with todays technology back when I was twenty-five. When you see me at FCT04 just remember that part of the reason that my hair is SO GRAY is because of that H-2
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Originally Posted by KAMcDonald,Sep 14 2004, 11:43 PM
just because it is your first time at the track (well, maybe this one at least) do not just hammer the gas and aim for top speed. learn the line and get comfortable with the way the car handles in turns and brakes at the end of the straight at lower speeds, then pick a couple corners and add 5 mph for a couple laps, and if you increase speed on the straight, be sure to hit the brakes earlier and adjust how late you can brake based on the higher speed. you will be amazed at how much more distance is needed at 120 mph over 80 mph.
All good advice that Keith posted.

The formula is: When you double your speed you have to double your braking power, when you double your weight you have to quadruple your braking power (which helps explain why SO many SUV's are involved in accidents) Along of course with some of the idiot drivers that should not be driving them to begin with.

Talking about getting "caught up" with the adrenalin. Do not do what a customer of mine did back in the 70's. He wanted to road race his Yamaha RD-400 (the hot lick bike back then). Back then WERRA would let people where leather pants and a leather jacket duct taped together so that it would not ride up if one went down. I had an old pair of leather Moto-X pants that I loaned him for his first track experience.

Well, he pulls out of pit lane at Summit Point, get's into a drag race down into T1, gets in way over his head being caught up in the moment grabs a handful of brakes and washes out the front tire that spits him over the handle bars and breaks BOTH of his wrist! His wife was so pissed, she left him as she did not want him to go racing to begin with.
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