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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 09:09 PM
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that guy makes aliens that much less believable lol
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 09:11 PM
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 03:07 AM
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If you have never heard of or seen this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Grady
If you have never heard of or seen this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle
Yeah, I have heard of that place. It is pretty interesting that people say they never saw any machinery used to make the garden.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by NuncoStr8
Like a lot of "theories" that can never be proven, much of the "ancient alines" stuff is purely made-up. There is no ancient radioactive ash in India, just as an example. People repeat these fantasy stories as "truth" because it makes them feel special or something.

I don't know where the idea that humanity could not have done anything on it's own prior to ~1963, but I'm guessing it was something an alien said :/

I just find it remarkable that anyone would insist that "aliens from outer space" were on earth and left all these mysterious clues but no clear, incontrovertable evidence. If you are going to buy the idea of "aliens from outer space," why stop there? We all know vampires and werewolves are strong, couldn't they have built the pyramids? Isn't it logical that with the help of fairies the ancient Celts would have no problems moving massive stones to build Stonehenge, therefore fairies helped build Stonehenge?
How do you know there is no elevated radioactivity in that location in India?

Besides that story, they are many many others from all around the globe and from all different cultures. There are numerous things that defy logic. By throwing in stuff about vampires and werewolves just shows that you are closed minded to anything outside of your comfort zone.

Statistically, the chances that there are other advanced beings in the universe is certain. If the universe is around 13 billion years old, chances are that some of those civiliations could have advanced enough to travel through space. Earth is a literally a living and breathing planet, why would advanced civiliations not want to visit and study Earth?
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by North Star
Statistically, the chances that there are other advanced beings in the universe is certain. If the universe is around 13 billion years old, chances are that some of those civiliations could have advanced enough to travel through space. Earth is a literally a living and breathing planet, why would advanced civiliations not want to visit and study Earth?
Are you sure that other advanced life is certain? Because the chances of there being life outside our planet is certain, but life comes in many forms. Our planet formed over 4 billion years ago, and for much of the time that life has existed on Earth, there was simply nothing here but bacteria, and even they are a distinct, "advanced" form of life, compared to what came before them.

You combine that time before the development of advanced beings, with the amount of time needed to make an intra-galactic trip, let alone an inter-galactic trip, which also necessitates a large expanse of time to develop the technology to make these trips, and your certainty is beginning to dwindle into questionable territory....
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 10:05 AM
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Let's look at it this way.

In order for intelligent life to know that WE are intelligent, and in order for them to want to come visit, they would need some evidence of our existence - say, if they have extremely advanced telescopes, they might see our lights on the otherwise dark side of our planet. Keeping this in mind, assuming they left immediately, and assuming they had light speed travel capabilities, they wouldn't even be here yet unless they were coming from one of the closest systems to our planet. We've only been lighting up our night sky to a really visible degree for a short while, all things considered. Even if you assume they started as soon as we started looking like humans, possibly tool-using animals, they'd have to be from our galaxy at the very least. Looking at the size of the universe and saying "oh there HAS to be intelligent life out there!" is fine. I agree, with an infinite universe it's quite probable. However, thinking that intelligent life has visited us requires a bunch of rather improbable assumptions

-this intelligent life developed VERY NEAR us, not just somewhere billions of light years away
-they pointed their handy telescopes at us, and noticed us
-they cared enough to come check us out
-they had light speed capability (or close to it) at the time
oh and finally
-they do all of their visiting in almost total secrecy


Buying into even one of those assumptions is a stretch...all of them...?


Oh, sorry, one more thing. You can toss all those above and instead assume that everything we know or have theorized about space and time is complete bullshit. I don't buy in on that assumption either, personally.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by C U AT 9K
Originally Posted by North Star' timestamp='1317831914' post='21041977
Statistically, the chances that there are other advanced beings in the universe is certain. If the universe is around 13 billion years old, chances are that some of those civiliations could have advanced enough to travel through space. Earth is a literally a living and breathing planet, why would advanced civiliations not want to visit and study Earth?
Are you sure that other advanced life is certain? Because the chances of there being life outside our planet is certain, but life comes in many forms. Our planet formed over 4 billion years ago, and for much of the time that life has existed on Earth, there was simply nothing here but bacteria, and even they are a distinct, "advanced" form of life, compared to what came before them.

You combine that time before the development of advanced beings, with the amount of time needed to make an intra-galactic trip, let alone an inter-galactic trip, which also necessitates a large expanse of time to develop the technology to make these trips, and your certainty is beginning to dwindle into questionable territory....
That's essentially saying that all things are evolving or advancing at the same rate as on Earth. That argument has things going for it but still falls flat. The thing is, we don't know what is out there beyond our solar system. Our understanding is limited to what we have acheived so far. There is no reason why another civilization cannot be thousands if not millions of years up on us on technology. They may have already discovered how to overcome Einstein's universal speed limit to travel vast distances. Heck, we know that wormholes are possible ways to overcome that barrier, we just haven't developed the technology to use them yet.

All I am saying is that there is a lot of unexplained things in our history that is fascinating. Some so intriguing that we can't even figure it out with our current technology. If an ancient civilization is doing things way back then that we can't figure out how to do now, something has to be hidden that we don't know.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by North Star
That's essentially saying that all things are evolving or advancing at the same rate as on Earth. That argument has things going for it but still falls flat. The thing is, we don't know what is out there beyond our solar system. Our understanding is limited to what we have acheived so far. There is no reason why another civilization cannot be thousands if not millions of years up on us on technology. They may have already discovered how to overcome Einstein's universal speed limit to travel vast distances. Heck, we know that wormholes are possible ways to overcome that barrier, we just haven't developed the technology to use them yet.

All I am saying is that there is a lot of unexplained things in our history that is fascinating. Some so intriguing that we can't even figure it out with our current technology. If an ancient civilization is doing things way back then that we can't figure out how to do now, something has to be hidden that we don't know.
I only know of one "rate" of evolution; as you said it may be faster elsewhere, it may be slower, it may be non-existent. And bear in mind, what is theoretically possible on a quantum level, is not necessarily so "up here". We have yet to unify the physics of tiny tiny things with the physics of big big things.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by thebig33tuna
Let's look at it this way.

In order for intelligent life to know that WE are intelligent, and in order for them to want to come visit, they would need some evidence of our existence - say, if they have extremely advanced telescopes, they might see our lights on the otherwise dark side of our planet. Keeping this in mind, assuming they left immediately, and assuming they had light speed travel capabilities, they wouldn't even be here yet unless they were coming from one of the closest systems to our planet. We've only been lighting up our night sky to a really visible degree for a short while, all things considered. Even if you assume they started as soon as we started looking like humans, possibly tool-using animals, they'd have to be from our galaxy at the very least. Looking at the size of the universe and saying "oh there HAS to be intelligent life out there!" is fine. I agree, with an infinite universe it's quite probable. However, thinking that intelligent life has visited us requires a bunch of rather improbable assumptions

-this intelligent life developed VERY NEAR us, not just somewhere billions of light years away
-they pointed their handy telescopes at us, and noticed us
-they cared enough to come check us out
-they had light speed capability (or close to it) at the time
oh and finally
-they do all of their visiting in almost total secrecy


Buying into even one of those assumptions is a stretch...all of them...?


Oh, sorry, one more thing. You can toss all those above and instead assume that everything we know or have theorized about space and time is complete bullshit. I don't buy in on that assumption either, personally.
Well apparently, there is a lot of recorded visits by our ancient civiliaztions, that what this is all about. Due to their limited technology of heiroglyphs and word of mouth, the truth gets muddled through history.
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