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I think it's perfectly unethical not to pay for someone elses organs.
The person, if alive, has to go through the pain/discomfort of the surgery. Doesn't get compensated yet the insurance company has to pay, the hospital makes money and everyones rates goes up to pay doctors to perform the operation.
The dead persons family has to pay to bury their loved one.
More people would donate kidneys even parts of their liver if they could get properly compensated. This would leave poor people on the donor list while others that have the money to cough up would get perfect matches everytiime and not take organ from donors. Keeping the donor list just as viable with more to go around.
Right now people are dying because we don't allow it.
I am an organ donor and while I would sell a kidney to someone that needed it if it was the best match I still would stay on the list for when I pass away. I wish they would pay for my burial expenses if my organs end up being used after my death. Something back to my family would be the right thing to do.
Originally Posted by THEOLDMAN,Oct 5 2005, 08:45 AM
It's not ethical.
Thanks, but that wasn't my question.
Originally Posted by THEOLDMAN,Oct 5 2005, 08:45 AM
Legitimate users won't buy organs.
You can bet that if someone in my family needed an organ and there was an option to buy it to alleviate their pain, suffering, and time spent waiting, I sure as hell would be paying for one.
So I take it that if a family member needed a kidney or a bone marrow transplant you would still want to be compensated for it, Jersey Girl?
This was taken from one of the links at the bottom of the page, all I did was copy and paste:
"We expertise in coordination of fast and trustfully service of organ transplantation in various centers around the world.
You may send us data by filling the following form, or just contact us via e-mail: transplant@transplant-coor.com Name"
Do you really want to trust a place like this. You might want to contact them see what they'll give you for an organ. They could at least take the time to have it translated using the correct syntax.
When I had my liver transplant the total cost was about $120,000, of that $48,500 was for organ procurement. My donor also helped a total of 7 people.
That's great! I don't know how close a match your liver was but instead of waiting wouldn't you have rather had someone that is a perfect match for you donate part of their liver? Listen I'm still all for the donor program however I'm convinced we'd save more people and have more transplants of which they would be even more successful if we let go of the arachne rules surrounding the compensation for donating live tissues.
Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Oct 6 2005, 10:28 AM
That's great! I don't know how close a match your liver was but instead of waiting wouldn't you have rather had someone that is a perfect match for you donate part of their liver? Listen I'm still all for the donor program however I'm convinced we'd save more people and have more transplants of which they would be even more successful if we let go of the arachne rules surrounding the compensation for donating live tissues.
My son (B+ blood type) was ready to donate a part of his liver, but for now the risk is too great, and it puts two people through the recovery process at one time. While it was a generous offer I was not prepared to accept it because of the risks for my son. My blood type (AB+) put me on a very short waiting list...I was the whole list. I was told that my wait could be very short or very long because of this. I was fortunate and an AB+ liver came up in about a week. AB people are the universal acceptor, meaning I could take an organ from any blood type, but in fairness to everyone you wait for your blood type. The waiting process has changed, it no longer is just a long list where you enter at the bottom and wait for people to either get transplants or die waiting to get to the top. They now use a MELD score for liver recipients : Model for End-Stage Liver Disease. This puts you in the line according to how sick you are. Potential recipients must attend classes that teach them what to expect after the transplant, their support group (family, friends) also need to attend. If they feel that you don't have adequate support you may not get listed. After you go home (I went home after 5 days) you will need someone around 24/7 for a couple of weeks if not longer. When they removed the staples from my incision it split open from about even with my naval to the end where the little car is. (this doesn't happen to everyone) My wife had to pack the wound twice a day as it was open about an 1" and about a 3/4" deep. This was three weeks after the surgery. When she went back to work, (~4weeks after I got home) she would do it in the evening and I had a Visiting Nurse come in and do it in the mornings. The wound took about 4 weeks to close from the time the staples were pulled.
During this whole time you can't lift anything that weighs more than a gallon of milk. You are also going in for blood draws and clinic appointments once a week for about 3 months. You will need a driver for at least 6 weeks. This is for them to check your progress and to adjust your medications.
Left to right: 8mg Prograf, 25mg prednizone, 1000mg Cellcept, 500mg Bactrim, 400mg Acyclovir, 100mg Colace, 40mg Protonix, and a vitamin. There was also a three time a day Nystatin. (All of this was about $2500-$3000 for a month's supply)
This was breakfast and a late dinner. I take my meds at 8:30am and 8:30pm. As you go through the first several weeks you are weaned from some and doses of others are adjusted as needed. Now I take 2mg of ProGraf (anti-rejection drug) twice a day and 600mg of Ursodiol (disolves stones and debris in the biliary tree) twice a day, those are the only two related to my transplant, the rest of the drugs I take are what I was taking before but in lower doses, for blood pressure, allergies, gastric problems.
Originally Posted by JerseyGirl,Oct 6 2005, 05:34 PM
If I was able to provide what was needed by a family member, I would not ask for compensation. I was simply saying that if a route existed in that a needed transplant part could be purchased in order to avoid a prolonged wait on a transplant list, I would consider it (should a family member not be a suitable match).
You can't buy your way in, here in the US.
Updated: 11:01 a.m. ET Sept. 28, 2005
LOS ANGELES - One of California
Originally Posted by THEOLDMAN,Oct 6 2005, 04:26 PM
My son (B+ blood type) was ready to donate a part of his liver, but for now the risk is too great, and it puts two people through the recovery process at one time. While it was a generous offer I was not prepared to accept it because of the risks for my son. My blood type (AB+) put me on a very short waiting list...I was the whole list. I was told that my wait could be very short or very long because of this. I was fortunate and an AB+ liver came up in about a week. AB people are the universal acceptor, meaning I could take an organ from any blood type, but in fairness to everyone you wait for your blood type. The waiting process has changed, it no longer is just a long list where you enter at the bottom and wait for people to either get transplants or die waiting to get to the top. They now use a MELD score for liver recipients : Model for End-Stage Liver Disease. This puts you in the line according to how sick you are. Potential recipients must attend classes that teach them what to expect after the transplant, their support group (family, friends) also need to attend. If they feel that you don't have adequate support you may not get listed. After you go home (I went home after 5 days) you will need someone around 24/7 for a couple of weeks if not longer. When they removed the staples from my incision it split open from about even with my naval to the end where the little car is. (this doesn't happen to everyone) My wife had to pack the wound twice a day as it was open about an 1" and about a 3/4" deep. This was three weeks after the surgery. When she went back to work, (~4weeks after I got home) she would do it in the evening and I had a Visiting Nurse come in and do it in the mornings. The wound took about 4 weeks to close from the time the staples were pulled.
During this whole time you can't lift anything that weighs more than a gallon of milk. You are also going in for blood draws and clinic appointments once a week for about 3 months. You will need a driver for at least 6 weeks. This is for them to check your progress and to adjust your medications.
Left to right: 8mg Prograf, 25mg prednizone, 1000mg Cellcept, 500mg Bactrim, 400mg Acyclovir, 100mg Colace, 40mg Protonix, and a vitamin. There was also a three time a day Nystatin. (All of this was about $2500-$3000 for a month's supply)
This was breakfast and a late dinner. I take my meds at 8:30am and 8:30pm. As you go through the first several weeks you are weaned from some and doses of others are adjusted as needed. Now I take 2mg of ProGraf (anti-rejection drug) twice a day and 600mg of Ursodiol (disolves stones and debris in the biliary tree) twice a day, those are the only two related to my transplant, the rest of the drugs I take are what I was taking before but in lower doses, for blood pressure, allergies, gastric problems.
omg What an experience!!!!!!!! Glad to see you are doing ok.
What if a new network was set up where people who were willing to "sell" their organ (or part of an organ) could sign up? It wouldn't be a bidding contest. Amounts would be set and you were ok with that, you could participate (if deemed healthy enough by a doctor). Other than being able to get off of the other transplant list sooner, what negative effects would that have? (Obviously, it should be set up so that should you choose to participate as a live organ donor, you agree to not hold anyone liable should something go wrong (ie: infection, etc.)).