Boxster Board S2000 talk...
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From: Springfield
Yes I've driven both. Infact a very good friend just two houses down the street owns a Boxster and several of his friends own Boxster S's. They post on the Boxster Board. The S2000 is in the same performance class and if you would like I'd be more than happy to have him atest to this. We generally all take Sunday drives and outings. Larry (Boxster) is barely able to keep up most of the time and he's a better driver than I. His friends with the Boxster S's have driven mine and I have driven their's. By their own admission they find that the S2000 is more than a match in every aspect except high gear roll ons. I still don't care for the interior of the Boxster. It has a canvas top which really aren't that good unless well taken care of. It's a gas guzzler. It's engine accessability is very limited. Parts are outrageously expensive and it's about 25 to 30K overpriced. Yes, on the track, on the strip and in auto-x it is a match. I'm not talking statical figures I'm talking real world. Anyone can come of with statitics, that's been seen round the world in most magazine tests and none of them match. I'm speaking from experience your speaking from stats. I'll believe the seat of my pants and my eyes every time.
Your welcome to your opinion just as I am mine. If you don't like it, OH WELL!
By the way, where I live the only time we drive slower than 50 is in town where the speed limit is 35. So at those speeds it really doesn't matter cause we don't race. Bottom line here is it's sufficent for me and well liked by at least three Boxster owners I know personnelly. How about you?
If it was 1/2 less, is at wish at best on your part. It's not and won't ever be so this isn't a factor. It's overpriced period. I don't waste my money on prestige and that's what this amounts to. If you feel like you need to spend around 59K or so to prove that the S2000 is not as good a performance automobile, go ahead don't let me stop you. For me, I think I got the best of both worlds. End of Line.
Your welcome to your opinion just as I am mine. If you don't like it, OH WELL!
By the way, where I live the only time we drive slower than 50 is in town where the speed limit is 35. So at those speeds it really doesn't matter cause we don't race. Bottom line here is it's sufficent for me and well liked by at least three Boxster owners I know personnelly. How about you?
If it was 1/2 less, is at wish at best on your part. It's not and won't ever be so this isn't a factor. It's overpriced period. I don't waste my money on prestige and that's what this amounts to. If you feel like you need to spend around 59K or so to prove that the S2000 is not as good a performance automobile, go ahead don't let me stop you. For me, I think I got the best of both worlds. End of Line.
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boxters are nice, but the other day, I say a new M roadster with the new M engine in it.. I was turning off the express way and he wizzed by... He probably saw me from a distance, and wanted to catch up to play... Too bad I didn't notice hime till it was too late... I really don't like the styling on the roadsters, but you can't deny that engine in it.. It especially looks nice with the four tail pipes...... The stook, Boxter, M-roadster,,, all of them are sweet cars...!!!
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From: Houston
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DavidM
[B]Jeff,
Yes, on the racetrack it is in the same performance class. On the road or in auto-X it is not - it's very comperabe with Boxtser2.7 there (hop onto the racing forum here and find out).
So, no - S2000 is not in the same performance class as BoxsterS. It is not on the road or in auto-X.
[B]Jeff,
Yes, on the racetrack it is in the same performance class. On the road or in auto-X it is not - it's very comperabe with Boxtser2.7 there (hop onto the racing forum here and find out).
So, no - S2000 is not in the same performance class as BoxsterS. It is not on the road or in auto-X.
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Hi Jeff,
Good, I just wanted to know how you base your info .... good to see you have access to both Boxtsers. Though, if you want to do some tests here's one - travel at 10mph in 1st in both cars (S2000 and BoxtserS) and then floor it at the same time. The BoxtserS will get something like 3 car lengths lead even before you shift to 2nd. Try it for yourself ... unless you can keep up with the BoxtserS then the S2000 does not match the BoxtserS performance in every respect. Then try the same thing with the Boxster2.7 and let me know if you've actually won ... either way it'll be very close. Unless you come up with different results, it still means that below 50mph the S2000 does not have a chance against the BoxsterS. Could you give it a go and see how you go? I donlt think there's much you can do when the 'other' car has always 20 - 40% more power at those speeds.
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By the way, where I live the only time we drive slower than 50 is in town where the speed limit is 35. So at those speeds it really doesn't matter cause we don't race
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In that case, around the town you very often accelerate (either of the lights or sqeezing into trafic) at speeds that are bellow 35mph and at those speeds the S2000 is definally not what I'd call fast. BoxtserS on the other hand is. Which is the point .... S2000 matches the BoxsterS in one very specific critria (ie. over 50mph) ... which is not around town.
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If it was 1/2 less, is at wish at best on your part.
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I ment 1/2 the 'price difference' not price .... in the States the BoxtserS in $20k more so I ment what if the BoxtserS was $10k more? See here the BoxtserS costs $140k and the S2000 about $80k ... that is $60k price difference .... $60k here is about 1.5x what the average wage is so talking about $10k is 'small change' compared to $60k.
Also, ovsiously I chose the S2000 over BoxtserS as well .... though, I' do realize where I'm 'saving the money'.
Also Zoran, I don't auto-X (we don't have that here) ... I just go to the track but my information is directly from the 'racing' forum here. Go there and see that Boxtser2.7 is actually equaling (and beating sometimes) the S2000's. I can't vouch for any of that personally, but look and ask them for yourself. Also, remeber that my main argument is that the S2000 is way out of it's league against BoxterS bellow 50mph (when moving).
ps. Here's a short story about 'equal performance' - my father has a 5.7L 260kW (350hp) sedan. I lined him up in the straighline many times. When flooring it from 50kph+ (30mph), the S2000 is a very good match ... in some instances it is even a fraction quicker but generally speaking the 2 cars are even (we're talking about 1 - 2 car length difference over 100kph (60mph) increment). Sometime he's a bit ahead sometimes I am. Are the two cars 'equal in staighline perfromance'? .... over 30mph yes. Though, whenever we do this from about 10 - 20kph (10mph) he smokes me so bad it's not funny ... wonder by how much? About 5 car-lenths even before I get to change to 2nd gear. After that it is a lost battle as he's already traveling at least 10mph faster than me and pulling away fast. Moral of the story is that I can match him above 30mph but bellow if I might as well park the car and walk.
Don't fool yourelf .... there are a lot of 'average' cars that will match or beat the S2000 (in the straighline) at speeds bellow 50mph (while moving). Bellow 30mph even an MX5 (Miata) will keep the S2000 honest.
Good, I just wanted to know how you base your info .... good to see you have access to both Boxtsers. Though, if you want to do some tests here's one - travel at 10mph in 1st in both cars (S2000 and BoxtserS) and then floor it at the same time. The BoxtserS will get something like 3 car lengths lead even before you shift to 2nd. Try it for yourself ... unless you can keep up with the BoxtserS then the S2000 does not match the BoxtserS performance in every respect. Then try the same thing with the Boxster2.7 and let me know if you've actually won ... either way it'll be very close. Unless you come up with different results, it still means that below 50mph the S2000 does not have a chance against the BoxsterS. Could you give it a go and see how you go? I donlt think there's much you can do when the 'other' car has always 20 - 40% more power at those speeds.
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By the way, where I live the only time we drive slower than 50 is in town where the speed limit is 35. So at those speeds it really doesn't matter cause we don't race
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In that case, around the town you very often accelerate (either of the lights or sqeezing into trafic) at speeds that are bellow 35mph and at those speeds the S2000 is definally not what I'd call fast. BoxtserS on the other hand is. Which is the point .... S2000 matches the BoxsterS in one very specific critria (ie. over 50mph) ... which is not around town.
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If it was 1/2 less, is at wish at best on your part.
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I ment 1/2 the 'price difference' not price .... in the States the BoxtserS in $20k more so I ment what if the BoxtserS was $10k more? See here the BoxtserS costs $140k and the S2000 about $80k ... that is $60k price difference .... $60k here is about 1.5x what the average wage is so talking about $10k is 'small change' compared to $60k.
Also, ovsiously I chose the S2000 over BoxtserS as well .... though, I' do realize where I'm 'saving the money'.
Also Zoran, I don't auto-X (we don't have that here) ... I just go to the track but my information is directly from the 'racing' forum here. Go there and see that Boxtser2.7 is actually equaling (and beating sometimes) the S2000's. I can't vouch for any of that personally, but look and ask them for yourself. Also, remeber that my main argument is that the S2000 is way out of it's league against BoxterS bellow 50mph (when moving).
ps. Here's a short story about 'equal performance' - my father has a 5.7L 260kW (350hp) sedan. I lined him up in the straighline many times. When flooring it from 50kph+ (30mph), the S2000 is a very good match ... in some instances it is even a fraction quicker but generally speaking the 2 cars are even (we're talking about 1 - 2 car length difference over 100kph (60mph) increment). Sometime he's a bit ahead sometimes I am. Are the two cars 'equal in staighline perfromance'? .... over 30mph yes. Though, whenever we do this from about 10 - 20kph (10mph) he smokes me so bad it's not funny ... wonder by how much? About 5 car-lenths even before I get to change to 2nd gear. After that it is a lost battle as he's already traveling at least 10mph faster than me and pulling away fast. Moral of the story is that I can match him above 30mph but bellow if I might as well park the car and walk.
Don't fool yourelf .... there are a lot of 'average' cars that will match or beat the S2000 (in the straighline) at speeds bellow 50mph (while moving). Bellow 30mph even an MX5 (Miata) will keep the S2000 honest.
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From: Montreal
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DavidM
[B]Hi Jeff,
Good, I just wanted to know how you base your info .... good to see you have access to both Boxtsers. Though, if you want to do some tests here's one - travel at 10mph in 1st in both cars (S2000 and BoxtserS) and then floor it at the same time. The BoxtserS will get something like 3 car lengths lead even before you shift to 2nd. Try it for yourself ... unless you can keep up with the BoxtserS then the S2000 does not match the BoxtserS performance in every respect. Then try the same thing with the Boxster2.7 and let me know if you've actually won ... either way it'll be very close. Unless you come up with different results, it still means that below 50mph the S2000 does not have a chance against the BoxsterS. Could you give it a go and see how you go? I donlt think there's much you can do when the 'other' car has always 20 - 40% more power at those speeds.
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By the way, where I live the only time we drive slower than 50 is in town where the speed limit is 35. So at those speeds it really doesn't matter cause we don't race
-----------------------------
In that case, around the town you very often accelerate (either of the lights or sqeezing into trafic) at speeds that are bellow 35mph and at those speeds the S2000 is definally not what I'd call fast. BoxtserS on the other hand is. Which is the point .... S2000 matches the BoxsterS in one very specific critria (ie. over 50mph) ... which is not around town.
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If it was 1/2 less, is at wish at best on your part.
[B]Hi Jeff,
Good, I just wanted to know how you base your info .... good to see you have access to both Boxtsers. Though, if you want to do some tests here's one - travel at 10mph in 1st in both cars (S2000 and BoxtserS) and then floor it at the same time. The BoxtserS will get something like 3 car lengths lead even before you shift to 2nd. Try it for yourself ... unless you can keep up with the BoxtserS then the S2000 does not match the BoxtserS performance in every respect. Then try the same thing with the Boxster2.7 and let me know if you've actually won ... either way it'll be very close. Unless you come up with different results, it still means that below 50mph the S2000 does not have a chance against the BoxsterS. Could you give it a go and see how you go? I donlt think there's much you can do when the 'other' car has always 20 - 40% more power at those speeds.
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By the way, where I live the only time we drive slower than 50 is in town where the speed limit is 35. So at those speeds it really doesn't matter cause we don't race
-----------------------------
In that case, around the town you very often accelerate (either of the lights or sqeezing into trafic) at speeds that are bellow 35mph and at those speeds the S2000 is definally not what I'd call fast. BoxtserS on the other hand is. Which is the point .... S2000 matches the BoxsterS in one very specific critria (ie. over 50mph) ... which is not around town.
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If it was 1/2 less, is at wish at best on your part.