Sure, but you dont think genetics can pull or sway direction?

Opinions and feelings about this can and will vary broadly. Im just interested in hearing that of others.

 

I don't buy into the whole "gay gene" idea.

in the argument of homosexuality being either nature vs nurture, I'd vote in favor of nurture. I think it has much more to do with life experiences, mental/physical connections, things of the sort, than a 'gene' that makes you gay or not.

but then again, I feel everyone, on some large scale, to some degree or another, is gay or has gay thoughts to some extent. they may just be thoughts and nothing more, or they may have even been experiences.

some people just hide it better than other, and a few don't hide it at all.

 

I may get flamed for this, but I have a lot of gay friends. There's a common thread for the creation of their gayness. So I believe that while the gay gene exists (hormonal imbalance), I also believe that a lot of people are made gay, or should I say choose gay as what they feel is the best option for their situation. Right now it's acceptable and maybe even desirable to be gay rather than unpopular with the opposite sex. It solves a lot of problems and means you aren't a loser, you're gay!

The biggest issue with gay marriage isn't biblical, it's monetary. Chuck and Larry is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

Monetaty, I couldnt agree more really. Usually, and we all know its a fact, if a man cheats on a woman, she gets half of his shit. If the woman cheats on the man, she still gets half of his shit in a divorce. Men get shafted in the us system when it comes to divorce. If you have 2 men or 2 women getting divorced, who do you fuk now?

 

easy.....the one making more money.

 

Uh... then you need to talk to more gay people or read up more about it.

There are definitely people born that are just more attracted their own sex. Yes the environment plays a huge role for a person, but not as much as genetics in terms of sexuality.

There are also many accounts of animals that are also "gay". And they are more hardwired from genetics than anything.

 

*cough* 14th Amendment *cough*

The whole damn thing is moot, unless those debating for Prop 8 can unequivocally prove that homosexuality is prima facie, licentious in nature.

Oh yeah, and let's get a in here while we're at it. IBTM.

 

It's funny that you should mention the 14th amendment. Personally I think it's beyond clear that state discrimination against gays is exactly the kind of thing the 14th amendment was ratified to protect against. If you take a case like Loving v. Virgina and just replace any racial modifiers with one referring to sexual orientation, it reads the way I would expect the court to strike down state laws which discriminate against gays.

But I'm not convinced that Antonin Scalia, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and Clarence Thomas would agree. That means only one other justice could create a slim majority and further entrench institutionalized discrimination of gays. Especially considering that the average margin of passage for these anti-gay statutes/amendments has been something north of 70%, up to 86 % in Mississippi, and considering that Congress has expressed its view in the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).

I think that while President-Elect Obama said that he does not favor gay marriage, I sure hope that his judicial appointees will do their duty and "protect the constitution" by upholding the letter of the law. My sense is that Obama's statement is an act of political necessity, much the same way that the Governator vetoed legislation to allow gay marriage but then supported prop.8.

Sure they'll be criticized by the radio hawks as "activist judges" (such a misnomer...isn't Thomas the most "activist" in his wanton disregard for precedent and the concept of stare decisis?) but they have life tenure, and should do the right thing.

And anyone who thinks that people "choose" to be gay - it is beyond ludicrous that anyone would choose to be a part of a minority which, outside of some gay ghettos, is maligned and targeted for physical, social, and psychological violence, is marginalized in politics, and does not enjoy the equal protection of the law. You didn't choose to be straight, and they sure as hell didn't choose to be gay.

Quick2k

 

Very well stated, I totally agree with you here. IMO people who think that gays choose to be gay are more homophobic or biggoted. I was once in that boat until I became friends with gays and my whole perspective changed once I became educated in the matter.

 

Sixty Minutes did a story a while back about identical twins: one heterosexual, one homosexual. Identical twins are genetically identical. That sounds like a strong (though not definitive) argument against homosexuality being genetic. Hormonal, perhaps, but not genetic.