This is an interesting thread. I hope it does not get moved or locked.

I am a Christian and my marriage is very sacred to me! I am not completely against (or for) gays having the right to marry. While I do not morally agree with homosexuals, I do accept them.

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I agree with this there may be some genetic factors that play minor roles in how comfortable you feel around men or women and things like that, but I don't think I can believe in a gene that when expressed makes you crave men more than women. What I've learned as a bio undergrad is that dispositions don't come straight cut with gene CYZ corresponding to trait CYZ. It is normally a combination of genes and their expressed products that gives you more or less of a chance of having a certain disease or whatever.

 

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So you're saying that straight couples are entitled only to strong marriages?

 

No it wouldn't.

It would be like saying that the CFA charter I earned - which required close to 1,000 hours of study and passing three extremely difficult, post-graduate level, 6-hour exams - would be diminished if CFA Institute lowered the requirements to passing a single 3-hour exam on undergraduate finance.

It would be like the way that some blacks feel about affirmative action and the effect it has on their matriculation at, say, Harvard, when many people believe that, had they had to meet the same requirements as white students (i.e., with no affirmative action), Harvard would never have accepted them.

 

No,. I'm saying that if my marriage were to be affected by another couple's marriage there'd be something drastically wrong with my marriage.

There isn't a bucket of "marriage strength" that all married couples can draw from, that somehow, gay couples drawing from this will weaken or otherwise affet my marriage.

 

Apples and oranges.

It took no more work for me to get a marriage license than turning over $10 and a blood test. (Of course that was in 1972 dollars.)

Your marriage (and mine) are completely independent of any other couple's marriage. We all get the same license from the cityy clerk. Our marriages thrive or fail on our own merits, not on the actions of other people.

Again, was your marriage adversely affected when Spears had her 56 hours of wedded bliss annulled? Was your marriage weakened when Bill cheated on Hillary or when Newt dropped his divorce papaers on his cancer patient wife's hospital bed? If so, your marriage has real problems.

If you're a religious person, does it affectr your marriage when two atheists get married at the justice of the peace's office ini Las Vegas? Or how about if two divorced catholics get married? How about a catholic and a Jew without the approval of the church?

 

And, perhaps, those arguing in favor of Proposition 8 are saying that you're entitled to have your deeply troubled marriage free from being affected by someone else's marriage.

 

No more so (in fact, a lot less so) than your camparison of whether or not the government should sanction the marriage of a homosexual couple to whether or not a few deeply flawed heterosexual couples can live up to their marriage vows.

 

Hmm ... well the question I like to bring up (not sure if it has been brought up yet or not) .. whatever you believe is right or wrong .. why do you WANT TO impose that on others?

Please do not tell me that if the gays are allowed to marry they are forcing you to take their marriage in... HOW IS THAT? Does that mean if they are married, that your children are going to be forced to change to being gay or what? I really do not understand this ...

You are entitled to your beliefs and do whatever YOU want. Why must your neighbor subside to what you would prefer? Do you want to be prohibited form acts because "others" believe it is wrong?

I think its ironic that people would say they voted YES on 8 because they are trying to save the family morals. Again, first off, just because you believe in certain morals, does that mean everyone else should to? Does this prohibiting of marriage really going to stop gays from being gays? What does it really do besides putting them "lower" than you? What does their marriage and their life have to do with yours? We live in a world where everybody will have a different set of opinions and beliefs. What right do you have to put yours above the opinion of anybody else?

Secondly, so its better to help your family morals by teaching hate?

In fact, lets start a movement where we shall outlaw the eating of pork because in SOME religion that is against their beliefs. You do not have to be in that religion, but you MUST follow it.

And for those who say that you don't want the gays to get marriage benefits ... why the F not? Are they not humans and should be allowed such freedoms just like you and betty boop there? Again what right do you have to be more "special" then gays.