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Off-topic TalkWhere overpaid, underworked S2000 owners waste the worst part of their days before the drive home. This forum is for general chit chat and discussions not covered by the other off-topic forums.
Originally Posted by Penforhire,Jul 4 2010, 11:02 AM
Congrats and be a good ccw-holder.
I've got the snowball's chance in Hell of a ccw. Why do I live in CA? The easy reasons - awesome weather (when most of you are freezing your tits off), high-tech job, and best selection of twisty mountain roads. Sometimes it is a bitch. Like when I had to surrender a so-called assault weapon (Calico M100, a freakin' toy!) about 20 years ago at the start of our ban.
You take the good with the bad and other places I've lived were more dangerous for other reasons. But you be a good ccw-holder there and that will bring us one step closer to changing our laws here.
Originally Posted by WFO Racer,Jul 10 2010, 11:15 PM
For the Cali haters from AZ. Guys I dove, hog, sheep hunt in your state every year. But when the hotel desk clerks look at my ID and then ask why in hell I would leave my city to visit hell in their city it speaks volumes.
For the record, it's not like they have the brightest, best, most-educated employees checking people in at a hotel. I wouldn't expect them to know why anyone would do anything, quite frankly.
Originally Posted by PrimoGen,Jul 6 2010, 09:56 AM
also go with a 40 cal or 45 instead of a 9mm. More stopping power.... or go with mag safe rounds in the 9mm.
for carry, I am going with an LCP or mini DE .380
I think its funny that you say not to carry a 9mm, because it "doesn't have enough stopping power," yet, you carry a .380... Do you know that a .380 is a weak 9mm??? The common 9mm (Luger) is 9x19mm, the .380 is 9x17mm. the .380 is also known as the 9mm short.
If you want a 9mm, go for it. Its what the Navy SEALS, Army Special Forces, SFOD-D (Delta Force), and most SWAT teams mainly use for both their primary weapon (MP5) and backup weapon for CQC (close quarter combat).
The "stopping power" argument is bunk these days. A modern, well designed 9mm round is just as good as a .40 or .45 round.
Also, food for thought, the same gun can carry more 9mm rounds than their .40 or .45 counterpart. ex: Springfield XDm can hold 20 9mm rounds, 17 .40 rounds, or 14 .45 rounds. Also, the 9mm has less recoil, which will help you get of quicker and more accurate follow up shots.
What ever you get, make sure you practice with it a lot. What matters most is shot placement, not the size of the bullet... a .22 shot to the heart is 100x more effective than a .45 shot to the arm.
Personally, I tend to carry a XD-9 subcompact (9mm) and a Ruger LCP (.380) Why the XD-9 instead of the XD-40? the XD-9 carries 14 rounds and has less recoil, the XD-40 carries 10 rounds. The Ruger LCP is for when I have to wear business casual, and I can just slip it in my pocket.
Its all personal preference, I would recommend something in 9mm or larger (.380 hollow points currently don't meet the FBI's ballistics requirements, but most importantly, get something that is comfortable and that you will carry, a .380 or .22 in your pocket is better than a .45 sitting at home.
If you MUST talk stopping power then the 357 Mag owns the statistical handgun record for one-shot-stops. Of course, my neighbor might complain if I miss and the round ends up halfway through his house...
Concerning stopping power - we're all still talking about handgun calbers - truth be told, they're all pretty weak. Still, a handgun carried is better than a rifle at home in the safe...
Here's a neat chart showing performance of popular calibers and bullet configurations in ballistic gelatin:
The 12" line is what the FBI considers a minimum performance requirement. More enlightening reading from the Bureau can be found here:
Then you'd like the 4" 686+ that I had to give to my ex-wife in the divorce... *sniff* That revolver was very accurate and had enough mass to handle pretty hot loads but I couldn't imagine wanting to carry it around all the time! Here's my ex-baby, taken with an old digicam and manual HDR (combining three exposures to tame the stainless and the black rubber) --
As serious a handgun as anyone could ever want. *sniff*
That revolver was very accurate and had enough mass to handle pretty hot loads but I couldn't imagine wanting to carry it around all the time! Here's my ex-baby, taken with an old digicam and manual HDR (combining three exposures to tame the stainless and the black rubber) --