I'm giving up on Palm
Originally Posted by espelirS2K,Sep 30 2010, 12:12 PM
WAIT! You mean to tell me your phone from 2010 works better than your phone from 2001?!
The Verizon store is no help. Calling Palm is no help. Emailing Palm is no help.
I expect it to work like it's advertised/designed - like store phone numbers, sync info correctly, keep dates. The phone is one-year-old and now there are all these problems.
Palm just decided one day to pull the plug without considering its customers. I had 12 years worth of data/contacts in my palm. I'm just gonna convert it to some other format and NEVER buy another palm product again.
http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/02/11...s-she-is-dead/
Bah the only cell phone worth having is the one where you can run what ever you want on it - that's why I use one of the official Google development phones for Android - Nexus One wins all. I can hack up custom copies of the OS and install them into my phone with out people trying to prevent me from doing it - the commands to "root" or "jailbreak" are published and are considered features, not exploits.
I also paid full price to get an app developer version of the phone which means my service with T-Mobile isn't subsidizing my phone. Not only is that a huge chunk of markup missing off my bill it's also a great reason not to have a contract, so I don't! Seriously, even if you aren't a computer hacker a development series phone can save you money in the long term.
I also paid full price to get an app developer version of the phone which means my service with T-Mobile isn't subsidizing my phone. Not only is that a huge chunk of markup missing off my bill it's also a great reason not to have a contract, so I don't! Seriously, even if you aren't a computer hacker a development series phone can save you money in the long term.
Originally Posted by triddle,Oct 4 2010, 01:28 PM
Bah the only cell phone worth having is the one where you can run what ever you want on it -
The newer motorolla phones have been rooted but from what I hear it's not easy to do and it restores it self to unrooted after a reboot. I think HTC phones are still rootable but I'm not 100% sure. I'm sure this is due to verizon not wanting people to have free wifi tethering as they are loosing out on that $$$ as I cannot see motorolla caring what you do with a phone after you purchase it.
^ Think of it this way - smart phones are commodity devices now. If you buy a carrier specific phone you've paid them to re-coop the development costs of taking a commodity device and locking it down turning it into a tool that restricts your freedom instead of one that makes phone calls. If you run the full play and buy a carrier phone subsidized through a long-term contract - wow, you just gave the carrier a crap-load of money and authority for no reason!
I don't understand why people buy carrier subsidized phones at all - before I could afford to pay full price for my Nexus One I rocked a cell phone straight out of Guatemala (no joke, my Guatemalan friend was floored I found that phone in the US). It cost me $5, it was built by Motorola, and the battery lasted for 5 days even.
I don't understand why people buy carrier subsidized phones at all - before I could afford to pay full price for my Nexus One I rocked a cell phone straight out of Guatemala (no joke, my Guatemalan friend was floored I found that phone in the US). It cost me $5, it was built by Motorola, and the battery lasted for 5 days even.
Originally Posted by triddle,Oct 6 2010, 10:19 AM
^ Think of it this way - smart phones are commodity devices now. If you buy a carrier specific phone you've paid them to re-coop the development costs of taking a commodity device and locking it down turning it into a tool that restricts your freedom instead of one that makes phone calls. If you run the full play and buy a carrier phone subsidized through a long-term contract - wow, you just gave the carrier a crap-load of money and authority for no reason!
I don't understand why people buy carrier subsidized phones at all - before I could afford to pay full price for my Nexus One I rocked a cell phone straight out of Guatemala (no joke, my Guatemalan friend was floored I found that phone in the US). It cost me $5, it was built by Motorola, and the battery lasted for 5 days even.
I don't understand why people buy carrier subsidized phones at all - before I could afford to pay full price for my Nexus One I rocked a cell phone straight out of Guatemala (no joke, my Guatemalan friend was floored I found that phone in the US). It cost me $5, it was built by Motorola, and the battery lasted for 5 days even.
Recovering the cost of the phone by selling it at the end of the contract is a pretty good idea! I keep equipment for years so that had not occurred to me. Generally though you can count on companies not making money by giving it away - if they are subsidizing your phone they are recovering that cost elsewhere; in my case my bill is $20/mo less with out phone subsidizing - the phone would have cost $279 (that did change after I bought it, originally it was $379) instead of $679 saving about $80 over the life of the contract BUT there's no early termination fees and the phone itself is not SIM/carrier locked so I don't need to buy another one as long as I don't damage this one.
I'm quite glad to not be inside a carrier contract though with your discounts you are probably coming in cheaper than me.
I'm quite glad to not be inside a carrier contract though with your discounts you are probably coming in cheaper than me.
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