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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Dec 7 2005, 10:38 AM
I've seen comp sci classes I knew more in eight grade then most of those courses show you. College learnin' isn't worth a crap compaired to real life experience. If you're working in the field you know better than to hold tha peice of paper as being worth anything more than a door opener.
They probably werent comp sci classes that the comp sci people take. This is probably one of the hardest majors.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:44 AM
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Gink5,Dec 7 2005, 10:41 AM
but yet you still the amount of virus being produced on MS?
You are making a logical leap here. I was only implying that they have created the largest petri-dish!
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Dec 7 2005, 10:43 AM
Yeah, that's why they had to pay Netscape $750,000,000
Not sure that i know the case you are talking about. Are you refering to the one where they sued MS because netscape wasnt included in the windows OS?
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gink5,Dec 7 2005, 01:44 PM
They probably werent comp sci classes that the comp sci people take. This is probably one of the hardest majors.
Yes they were and I helped my roommate with his homework all the time and laughed my ass off with his programming classes, he got his masters. Not to say that it isn't a time consuming task and that some of the work doesn't require real work but mostly I found it to be busy work and not at all informative. Most certainly not in-depth enough to actually be useful in the real world. Those classes I saw give you a clue but when you're trying to build a software solution to make a wireless network secure back in the beginning of wireless networks guess what its useless. You have to actually get your hands dirty. Same with most college courses, it's just a foundation to build on. If you loved computers since you were 8 and programmed for fun because you loved it by the time your 18 you already probably know far more than college will teach you about most of it. Hit the real world and then you'll learn more in one year, if you work for a demanding company, than you knew in your whole lifetime. One year of developing taught me that, now with 15 years of experience I shake my head whenever we hire a new kid out of college. Often I find myself betting on how long before we fire them.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Gink5,Dec 7 2005, 10:46 AM
Not sure that i know the case you are talking about. Are you refering to the one where they sued MS because netscape wasnt included in the windows OS?
U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit also holds that Microsoft is a monopoly and has behaved anticompetitively -- that, in fact, it violated the Sherman Antitrust Act. For the most part, the court upheld Jackson's findings of fact, which recounted in voluminous detail how Microsoft abused its control of the market for operating systems to gain market share for its Internet Explorer Web browser, at the expense of Netscape Navigator. To some legal observers, the court's findings of liability on various monopoly power abuse issues constitute a huge defeat for Microsoft, one that may require the software company to appeal immediately to the Supreme Court.

Specifically, the appellate court agreed with the Department of Justice prosecutors and Judge Jackson that Microsoft had abused its monopoly power by forcing computer hardware makers (OEMs) into signing licenses that restricted their rights to preinstall Netscape Navigator, by integrating I.E. into the Windows operating system in such a way as to make it more difficult for Netscape to compete ("commingling" browser code and operating system code, and failing to provide an option to remove Internet Explorer), and by engaging in deals with Internet service providers and other Internet content companies that gave preference to Internet Explorer.

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/...crosoft_appeal/
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Dec 7 2005, 10:52 AM
Yes they were and I help my roommate with his homework all the time and laughed my ass off with his programming classes, he got his masters. Not to say that it isn't a time consuming task and that some of the work doesn't require real work but mostly I found it to be busy work and not at all informative. Most certaintly not in-depth enough to actually be usefull in the real world. Those classes I saw give you a clue but when you're trying to build a software solution to make a wireless network secure back in the beginning of wireless networks guess what its useless. You have to actually get your hands dirty. Same with most college courses, it's just a foundation to build on. If you loved computers since you were 8 and programmed for fun because you loved it by the time your 18 you already probably know far more than college will teach you about most of it. Hit the real world and then you'll learn more in one year, if you work for a demanding company, than you knew in your whole lifetime. One year of developing taught me that, now with 15 years of experience I shake my head whenever we hire a new kid out of college. Often I find myself betting on how long before we fire them.
Like I said, it's up to the student to pursue challenging courses/teachers/projects.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Dec 7 2005, 01:44 PM
You are making a logical leap here. I was only implying that they have created the largest petri-dish!
I'll expand on that. In the beginning they built/stole a small petri-dish, no one else stepped up to build one better. Since no other petri dish worked as well people bought and bought and they became THE petri-dish. Then they became the largest petri-dish, maybe through a few questionable ethics but also because no one else made a better one. Now they are the biggest petri-dish because they are so good/popular.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Dec 7 2005, 10:44 AM
You are making a logical leap here. I was only implying that they have created the largest petri-dish!
Maybe, but i think this is much more complicated then them just being lazy. I think the biggest reason is marketing. You being a programmer should know that no matter what OS is being used it can always be hacked\attacked(whatever). Since MS is the largest, it becomes the target. Similar to the US and terrorism, not to get off topic.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Dec 7 2005, 01:57 PM
Like I said, it's up to the student to pursue challenging courses/teachers/projects.
What courses are there? I guess it depends on where you go but one can argue that college isn't ment to give you all the knowledge you need to enter the workforce but rather to help you learn how to learn. I would argue either you have that ability before you enter college or you don't and that going to college only 1/2 proves to employers that you do.
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