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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 02:47 PM
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Just bought a Macbook Pro. It was overpriced but it is pretty and has high resale.

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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick2K,Sep 8 2010, 03:24 PM
I kind of think that there is a comparison to the Top Gear episode where they took a commuter car and gave it racing slicks, engine upgrades, and weight reduction, to try to achieve the same lap time as an Evo X. I think they got close, for less money...but which one would you rather drive?
Your analogy makes zero sense. The Mac is not some super high powered piece of equipment. If anything it's over-priced hardware covered by a pretty shell. More like a Jaguar or Maserati. A PC based on your analogy would be something like a Corvette. Relatively cheap for the power and performance and huge aftermarket support.
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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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I think the only people who truly hate on macs like some of the PC fanboi's on this site, are those whom have never tried one themselves for an extended period of time.

Because if you had, you would understand it's more than just the hardware.

I think it's so funny how PC owners get so bent out of shape about how much apple sucks. Who effin cares?
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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by zzziippyyy,Sep 8 2010, 01:14 PM
pic is too big
Funny...on my 24-inch mac display it looks just fine.
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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo_S2K,Sep 8 2010, 02:51 PM
Your analogy makes zero sense. The Mac is not some super high powered piece of equipment. If anything it's over-priced hardware covered by a pretty shell. More like a Jaguar or Maserati. A PC based on your analogy would be something like a Corvette. Relatively cheap for the power and performance and huge aftermarket support.
Actually, thank you for helpin me make my point, which was that the sum total of a set of parts may have more "value" than the parts would when disassembled, because value comes in many different forms. I was not arguing that the Mac would be more powerful or run better than a cheaper Windows machine or that it is inherently better for its "Mac-ness"; your example of a Jaguar/Maserati v. Corvette is exactly my point. The Corvette (p.c.) may get around a track faster, and maybe even more reliably, for less money; but people buy Maseratis and Jaguars (apple) for a lot more than just speed, and they pay more for it too. Even Corvette buyers buy for many reasons other than pure speed per dollar; if they didn't why are so many Corvette sales the automatic/convertible package? (Ditto 911s and almost any sports car that is marketed for broad appeal, for that matter)

Don't think so one-dimensionally about the types of value that some thing can have, like sex appeal, feel, shape, user experience, resale, reliability, and the image/persona that product ownership projects into the world. I can guarantee you that if Apple products did not deliver value to customers, on some level or another, then they would not be competitive in the market. Perhaps you place less value than Mac buyers on things like aesthetic appeal, ease of use, plug-and-play functionality, and, yes, the personal image displayed by ownership of a Mac (or whatever else). That's why multiple products exist in the market, and I'm fine with that.

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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by In The Year S2000,Sep 8 2010, 03:13 PM
Funny...on my 24-inch mac display it looks just fine.
And how much did you have to pay for your 24 apple display?
bottom line is apple is over priced as hell
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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by broilmebk,Sep 8 2010, 03:25 PM
bottom line is apple is over priced as hell
So is IBM. . . but I buy the shit because when it breaks, it's a $200 expense to keep that overpriced hunk of capital expenditure still running, where if I buy blade servers, I've got $X,XXX or XX,XXX expense cycling through every quarter, and some folks get upset.

Once again, what kind of problem are you trying to solve?

As I said elsewhere, PC and Mac solve my most complex home problem with equal suckage.

. . . and thanks to Win7, along with common parts sourcing for most home Windows machines, the Mac was the winner for the better part of a year and a half.

Overpriced? Not if what you want to do is work.
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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 03:41 PM
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It's pretty. I don't see how it is so hard to understand that what appeals to one buyer doesn't appeal to another, and that's ok? It's not over-priced if the market will pay it; I know markets aren't perfectly efficient, but demand is huge for Apple products and so they can price them higher than competitors. If PC makers are jealous, then they can mobilize to compete and drive down prices overall by undercutting apple. But the product has to be better, and unfortunately for lots of brands, they don't offer the fully integrated software/hardware package that apple does with the iPhone, iPad, iPod line, etc...
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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick2K,Sep 8 2010, 04:14 PM
Actually, thank you for helpin me make my point, which was that the sum total of a set of parts may have more "value" than the parts would when disassembled, because value comes in many different forms. I was not arguing that the Mac would be more powerful or run better than a cheaper Windows machine or that it is inherently better for its "Mac-ness"; your example of a Jaguar/Maserati v. Corvette is exactly my point. The Corvette (p.c.) may get around a track faster, and maybe even more reliably, for less money; but people buy Maseratis and Jaguars (apple) for a lot more than just speed, and they pay more for it too. Even Corvette buyers buy for many reasons other than pure speed per dollar; if they didn't why are so many Corvette sales the automatic/convertible package? (Ditto 911s and almost any sports car that is marketed for broad appeal, for that matter)

Don't think so one-dimensionally about the types of value that some thing can have, like sex appeal, feel, shape, user experience, resale, reliability, and the image/persona that product ownership projects into the world. I can guarantee you that if Apple products did not deliver value to customers, on some level or another, then they would not be competitive in the market. Perhaps you place less value than Mac buyers on things like aesthetic appeal, ease of use, plug-and-play functionality, and, yes, the personal image displayed by ownership of a Mac (or whatever else). That's why multiple products exist in the market, and I'm fine with that.

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Um...your analogy was that a stock sports sedan was faster than a modified beater. No where did you make any mention of any perceived value.

And what is this "value" you speak of. As much as you want to argue it, a Mac is just a collection of the exact same parts you can get for a PC. Their failure rate is no better then mid pack. The only thing "special" about a Mac is the pretty logo you are buying. You can put OSX on a PC.
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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo_S2K,Sep 8 2010, 04:44 PM
Um...your analogy was that a stock sports sedan was faster than a modified beater. No where did you make any mention of any perceived value.

And what is this "value" you speak of. As much as you want to argue it, a Mac is just a collection of the exact same parts you can get for a PC. Their failure rate is no better then mid pack. The only thing "special" about a Mac is the pretty logo you are buying. You can put OSX on a PC.
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