Srsly - last time I checked, these guys were in it for money, not lulz.

Not when Apple is requesting proprietary designs and cornering chunks of certain supply chains. There again, there's an illusion that Apple is a computer manufacturer. Last time I checked, they were a design firm and systems integrator going into the advertising business.

I generally think that Win7 is a compelling product in a lot of ways, and I think it does a decent job playing nice with other gizmos and widgets. However, as you are hinting at, there's a perceived disparity, which is as bad as an actual disparity.

 

I actually got it through a friend of a friend who works for them. So the whole thing, with the discount, was about what you'd pay for a PC equivalent.

...and in full disclosure, I viewed this from work where I have a DELL...and yeah, the picture was way too big.

I think we can all agree...it's expensive. But, at the end of the day a computer is a piece of furniture in your family room, living room, office etc... I don't know about you, but I put a hell of a lot of time into design in my home. I spent hours refurbishing an old desk for my family room and I think my Mac looks awesome sitting on top of it. Maybe my priorities are mixed up, but that's worth a few hundred bucks to me.

 

Equal suckage is equal, except when it's not (and I really doubt anyone who has posted thus far was trying to run ProTools8).

 

Actually, there are almost no "Mac haters" anywhere. But Mac fanbois label everyone who points out that the emporor has no clothes as a "hater."

It's not hate to point out that Macs are more expensive than non-Apple products that have the same hardware and functionality.

It's not hate to point and laugh at a Mac fanboi crying about "Mac haters."

It's not hate to *not* be an Apple apologist.

By the same token, one isn't a "MS faboi" simply because they know how to use an MS operating system better than you.

Apple makes some nice products. They are not value leaders. As has been said, there is a value in a Mac that doesn't come out on paper. However, the same can be said for any product. I like XP for the fact that pretty much any hardware I throw at it is supported. I like linux and Unix OS's because they make doing some work-related tasks a lot easier (read: remote administration, not always going between mouse and keyboad to do simple tasks, etc.)

Tool for the job, basically.

 

 

I played with some audio stuff back in the day. Does that count

 

At the time, sure.

I tried to fire up ProTools8 on my Lenovo. . . as it was the fastest machine I had around at the time. . .only to find out that there was a chipset compatibility issue with most AMDs and many motherboards.

Turns out you could run ProTools8 on XP if the chipset spec was of the same make as a. . . *cough*

Luckily, some fanboi had upgraded his Mini Solo to a Mini Duo.

 

This is a silly argument.

For the record, I said at the end of my first post "which one would you rather drive?" which was a rhetorical question to make the point that two pieces of machinery can do the same task in nearly the same time, and yet have radically different prices and corresponding appeal. By that, I mean that the value of an object to the buyer need not consist only of speed per dollar expended.

For example: If all you are concerned with is going fast in a straight line for minimal cash, a Fox body mustang will get it done. But it's not pretty, I wouldn't want to take a date out in it, and it's not very practical for taking the kids to school, among other things. Or, maybe you are a professional and need to project a persona of skill and experience, in which case maybe driving a BMW or Audi would be "valuable" to you in a professional capacity. See what I mean about value not being just about speed per dollar?

To take another example that's not automotive: Presume that a cup of coffee at Dunkin Donuts has 50 mg/cup of caffeine, and so does a cup of Blue Bottle Coffee brewed in Oakland, CA. Let's just assume for argument that each is equally delicious, too. The Dunkin Donuts cup isn't fair trade, Dunkin Donuts doesn't provide health insurance for its work force, and you know that Dunkin Donuts is a huge corporation with thousands of locations. Blue Bottle, on the other hand, roasts its coffee in-house in small batches, it is all fair trade, the company pays full health coverage for its employees, and it's a small local operation. The Dunkin Donuts cup costs .99c, and the Blue Bottle cup costs $2.75.

If all you as a consumer cares about is having a cup of coffee in the morning to wake up, and you place no value on whether the company provides health insurance or uses fair trade/organic, then the Dunkin Donuts cup is a better overall value to you because the price is low and you get the same morning kick. But if you place a premium on supporting local business, supporting growers by buying fair trade coffee, etc., then the extra price of the Blue Bottle cup is justified because you "value" more than just the amount of caffeine you get in the cup.

As far as value for buyers of the Mac Pro; To speculate (since I'm not an owner), I have heard that Macs are good for advanced video and sound editing, like the kind you would do in Hollywood for movies or producing albums. If I were a professional in that business, and I was looking to get clients (who also had heard that Mac, rightly or wrongly, is "best" for such tasks), I might buy the Mac Pro in order to have it in the office so that prospective clients will see it and think "ah, this guy knows what he is doing." Maybe a recording/production contract with a major piece of work would be lucrative enough to more than make up the extra cost over having a Windows machine and cobbled-together, totally bad-ass components, since the Windows machine does not convey the professional image that I'm trying to project.

Maybe we'll just have to agree that our minds work in different ways, but it seems clear to me that value exists in ways other than raw speed or power per dollar.

Quick2k /end

 

[QUOTE=espelirS2K,Sep 8 2010, 03:51 PM] I think the only people who truly hate on macs like some of the PC fanboi's on this site, are those whom have never tried one themselves for an extended period of time.

Because if you had, you would understand it's more than just the hardware.

 

Maybe the ignorance lies in both "mac fanboi's" and "mac haters."

The thing is, people who like mac's more than PC's can only say "you just don't understand" to PC owners.

And PC owners can only say "it's overpriced and junk."

I think UnkieT and Vu are right...


... 6 in one half, half dozen in the other. Who the eff cares? Why do people (I admit--even I) get so worked up over this shit? It's just a computer, part of the free market system is being able to buy wtf I want