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at different times i've thought all thoughts stated above against cops and speed limit's. I have been pulled over once in my driving career and i am awaiting an appeal. First the story...
I was driving a small black Infinity I30t down a road i have driven many times. I was following a friend of mine who drives the road every day to work in his maroon subaru legacy. the limit on the road the week before our being pulled over was 40 mph, it was since changed to 30 and he gave us both tickets. Now.... he pulled us BOTH over, neither one of us were sure who he clocked, if he can clock us both and so on. So we both pulled over, regardless of our situation the cop took an attitude with us, he asked if we were racing, these two cars are not race cars though peppy. He clocked the front car at 47 and me at 46. Another cruiser pulled up and two female cops got out and started talking to our officer. They were mocking us, making jokes at our expense. I figure that is totally uncalled for, seeing as how i've never had a warning of any kind and the limit had been 40 the week before.
An interesting twist......... I drive with a GPS unit soft wired to the car, it is ALWAYS on, and always tracking where i've been, my top speed, and my average speed to the tenth of a mph. The GPS said i never broke 43, and that doesn't mean i hadn't driven in a 45 earlier that night. Will a judge accept this information in my appeal? my average speed was 30.3.
Now my thought's on the matter of speed limit's, that officer should have let us off with a warning knowing the limit had changed. But that doesn't excuse the incredibly low limit's around my town. The post above doesn't even explain these limit's. Ill explain a few sections of the road running through my town. Rt 113, the center of town is a 25, and the police station is in town hall on this road in the center of town. Given there's a school there, the zone extends beyond that and is always 25, and the school is only an elementary school, meaning it's in session all day and children are only outside at certain times, where a flashing sign would prove helpful to reduce the speed in that area. During the day it should be a 35. I know this because i drive a crown vic now, which is a cop car at heart, no car like it, yet through town towards a larger town is a 45, easily driveable at 50 in any car, 70-80 in the S but we won't get into that. The real bugger is the other direction that's a 30 for miles, should be a 45, very few houses on that section and it's towards the Highway and large shopping center nashua. Who sets these limit's and who can i talk to about fixing them. Back road's aren't that bad in a passenger car. But the autobahn has the right idea on the highway's. go nut's fight ticket's it's your insurance
I was driving a small black Infinity I30t down a road i have driven many times. I was following a friend of mine who drives the road every day to work in his maroon subaru legacy. the limit on the road the week before our being pulled over was 40 mph, it was since changed to 30 and he gave us both tickets. Now.... he pulled us BOTH over, neither one of us were sure who he clocked, if he can clock us both and so on. So we both pulled over, regardless of our situation the cop took an attitude with us, he asked if we were racing, these two cars are not race cars though peppy. He clocked the front car at 47 and me at 46. Another cruiser pulled up and two female cops got out and started talking to our officer. They were mocking us, making jokes at our expense. I figure that is totally uncalled for, seeing as how i've never had a warning of any kind and the limit had been 40 the week before.
An interesting twist......... I drive with a GPS unit soft wired to the car, it is ALWAYS on, and always tracking where i've been, my top speed, and my average speed to the tenth of a mph. The GPS said i never broke 43, and that doesn't mean i hadn't driven in a 45 earlier that night. Will a judge accept this information in my appeal? my average speed was 30.3.
Now my thought's on the matter of speed limit's, that officer should have let us off with a warning knowing the limit had changed. But that doesn't excuse the incredibly low limit's around my town. The post above doesn't even explain these limit's. Ill explain a few sections of the road running through my town. Rt 113, the center of town is a 25, and the police station is in town hall on this road in the center of town. Given there's a school there, the zone extends beyond that and is always 25, and the school is only an elementary school, meaning it's in session all day and children are only outside at certain times, where a flashing sign would prove helpful to reduce the speed in that area. During the day it should be a 35. I know this because i drive a crown vic now, which is a cop car at heart, no car like it, yet through town towards a larger town is a 45, easily driveable at 50 in any car, 70-80 in the S but we won't get into that. The real bugger is the other direction that's a 30 for miles, should be a 45, very few houses on that section and it's towards the Highway and large shopping center nashua. Who sets these limit's and who can i talk to about fixing them. Back road's aren't that bad in a passenger car. But the autobahn has the right idea on the highway's. go nut's fight ticket's it's your insurance
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From: Arlington
more ignorance....
you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed into thinking that just cause they post a sign with a number on it, that that is what's fair and reasonable. You also assume that which car is pulled over is a black & white situation. It is NOT:
If an officer sees 2 vehicles 'speeding' at the same pace, a Ford Explorer and a Honda S2000, he should be OBLIGATED to pull over the Explorer.. NOT the S2000. Not only is the Explorer built MUCH LESS to handle speed (meaning there is a greater chance that it will flip, etc.), it is also built to do MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE damage to innocent bystanders, drivers, property, etc than the S2000 is, should an accident occur due to its 'speeding'. How much larger and heavier is an Explorer than an S2000??
WAKE UP AND STOP BEING SO BRAINWASHED.
Jeff
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Originally posted by jeffrplant
Traffic cops are put in a tough position. But hey, that should be their problem, not mine. I am not complaining about police officers in general, I am complaining about the system they endorse (speed limits) and the means by which they endorse it.
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Actually, if you speed, you are their problem...you get the ticket...now it's your problem, not theirs.
you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed into thinking that just cause they post a sign with a number on it, that that is what's fair and reasonable. You also assume that which car is pulled over is a black & white situation. It is NOT:
If an officer sees 2 vehicles 'speeding' at the same pace, a Ford Explorer and a Honda S2000, he should be OBLIGATED to pull over the Explorer.. NOT the S2000. Not only is the Explorer built MUCH LESS to handle speed (meaning there is a greater chance that it will flip, etc.), it is also built to do MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE damage to innocent bystanders, drivers, property, etc than the S2000 is, should an accident occur due to its 'speeding'. How much larger and heavier is an Explorer than an S2000??
WAKE UP AND STOP BEING SO BRAINWASHED.
Jeff
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Originally posted by jeffrplant
Traffic cops are put in a tough position. But hey, that should be their problem, not mine. I am not complaining about police officers in general, I am complaining about the system they endorse (speed limits) and the means by which they endorse it.
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Actually, if you speed, you are their problem...you get the ticket...now it's your problem, not theirs.
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So anyone who doesn't agree with you is either ignorant or a moron?
Maybe when you're old enough to get your driver's license you'll be mature enough carry on a debate without name-calling. Have fun at the prom and make sure you're home by curfew!
Maybe when you're old enough to get your driver's license you'll be mature enough carry on a debate without name-calling. Have fun at the prom and make sure you're home by curfew!
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This is the most ignorant thread that I have ever came across...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for raising the speed limits. Technology has come a long way since many of those limits were set; cars perform better and are much safer then they were 20 years ago. However...
Profiling? I don't think so... Its called plain stupid human nature. In a sea of black cars, there is a yellow sports car weaving in and out of traffic, which one will you notice? Sports cars are generally higher in insurance. Why is that? True, in some areas of the US, some cops still have quotas to fill and they have a job to do, but I doubt highly that they specifically go after sports cars or the Honda S2000. In an endless road of speeding cars, the cop, just by human nature will select the first one to grab his attention, in this case usually a sports car. If you want to lessen your chances of getting a ticket than go buy a black yugo.
Speed limits are set low to generate revenue? How about speed limits are set for safety. In South Florida, the speed limit is 75MPH in some areas but are generally 65MPH in most expressways. Most cops here will allow a 10MPH buffer.
Speed and the ability to control it is based solely on driver skill and experience. Speed in the hands of an inexperienced driver is a dangerous combination. Speed kills period. Inexperienced young drivers in high power sports cars make a pretty good weapon. Everyday in South Florida, I hear of some kid street racing or driving like a moron end up dead or crippled for life because they lost control. Personally, I've lost a friend because of this. Inexperienced driver in a new 300ZX slamming into a tree. Four dead on impact.
Just because we own cars that were made for speed doesn't give you a license to speed and immunity to traffic laws. No one is above the law, not even us, S2000 owners. True, the S2000 is capable of attaining speeds up to 175 + MPH. And many of us, including myself, have pushed the limit. But if caught by a cop speeding (either going 10 over and 50 over), you DESERVE to get a ticket, end of story.
Everytime you go past the posted speed limit, rather or not you agree with it, you are speeding and breaking the law. If a cop sees you, you should and deserve to get a ticket.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for raising the speed limits. Technology has come a long way since many of those limits were set; cars perform better and are much safer then they were 20 years ago. However...
Profiling? I don't think so... Its called plain stupid human nature. In a sea of black cars, there is a yellow sports car weaving in and out of traffic, which one will you notice? Sports cars are generally higher in insurance. Why is that? True, in some areas of the US, some cops still have quotas to fill and they have a job to do, but I doubt highly that they specifically go after sports cars or the Honda S2000. In an endless road of speeding cars, the cop, just by human nature will select the first one to grab his attention, in this case usually a sports car. If you want to lessen your chances of getting a ticket than go buy a black yugo.
Speed limits are set low to generate revenue? How about speed limits are set for safety. In South Florida, the speed limit is 75MPH in some areas but are generally 65MPH in most expressways. Most cops here will allow a 10MPH buffer.
Speed and the ability to control it is based solely on driver skill and experience. Speed in the hands of an inexperienced driver is a dangerous combination. Speed kills period. Inexperienced young drivers in high power sports cars make a pretty good weapon. Everyday in South Florida, I hear of some kid street racing or driving like a moron end up dead or crippled for life because they lost control. Personally, I've lost a friend because of this. Inexperienced driver in a new 300ZX slamming into a tree. Four dead on impact.
Just because we own cars that were made for speed doesn't give you a license to speed and immunity to traffic laws. No one is above the law, not even us, S2000 owners. True, the S2000 is capable of attaining speeds up to 175 + MPH. And many of us, including myself, have pushed the limit. But if caught by a cop speeding (either going 10 over and 50 over), you DESERVE to get a ticket, end of story.
Everytime you go past the posted speed limit, rather or not you agree with it, you are speeding and breaking the law. If a cop sees you, you should and deserve to get a ticket.
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From: Arlington
I agree with this: "The best performing car in the hands of a bad driver is worse than the worst performing car in the hands of a good driver."
HOWEVER... when a cop makes a decision to pull over a car, the only 'variable' in the equation is the type of car, since the cop does NOT know who is driving either car and what their driving ablility is.
SINCE all else is equal, he should be obligated to choose the vehicle which is not made for speed.
Unfortunately, the cop will almost ALWAYS choose the sports car. That-does-not-make-sense. PERIOD. That is wrong. That... is profiling. And profiling is ILLEGAL.
Jeff
Ignorance? Your mentality is what gives sports cars a bad name...just because we are lucky enough to have this type of car does NOT put us above the law.
As Guntersmurf says, once you get your license and actually get behind the steering wheel, you will quickly learn that a car's ability is tied to the ability of the driver. The best performing car in the hands of a bad driver is worse than the worst performing car in the hands of a good driver.
HOWEVER... when a cop makes a decision to pull over a car, the only 'variable' in the equation is the type of car, since the cop does NOT know who is driving either car and what their driving ablility is.
SINCE all else is equal, he should be obligated to choose the vehicle which is not made for speed.
Unfortunately, the cop will almost ALWAYS choose the sports car. That-does-not-make-sense. PERIOD. That is wrong. That... is profiling. And profiling is ILLEGAL.
Jeff
Ignorance? Your mentality is what gives sports cars a bad name...just because we are lucky enough to have this type of car does NOT put us above the law.
As Guntersmurf says, once you get your license and actually get behind the steering wheel, you will quickly learn that a car's ability is tied to the ability of the driver. The best performing car in the hands of a bad driver is worse than the worst performing car in the hands of a good driver.
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OK... think outside the box for just a minute here, if your tiny little brainwashed mind can handle that.
A) I am not talking about a "yellow sports car weaving in and out of a sea of black cars" (you're really reaching here to try and make your point). I specifically stated that if the sports car is the car driving unreasonably faster than everyone else, then yes - he deserves a ticket. What I AM talking about (since this seems too difficult to grasp), is a cop specifically choosing to pick on a sports car, when he has plently of other choices.. plenty of other just-as-deserving people on the road. In fact, an SUV is MORE deserving of a ticket than the sports car (assuming the speed is equal). How much larger is the SUV, how much WORSE does it handle? How mant more people might it be carrying??!!!
B) YES, speed limits are used to generate revenue!! DUH. Back in the 1970's, the national speed limit was higher (something like 65 or 70). Then the oil crisis hit and they lowered it to 55 - for one and only one reason; to save oil. Then the oil crisis passed and they "conveniently FORGOT" to raise the limit back up again for many many years. Gee, wonder why??? MONEY. MONEY MONEY MONEY. Everything revolves around money... it's just like the wife of that cop told me: she said "Their quota is so high because the county depends on that revenue". Guess what else she told me... she told me that while her husband does not participate in this (yeah, right) - most of his fellow officers do indeed TARGET SPORTS CARS, especially ones with MALE drivers.
You contradict yourself terribly... you are all for raising the speed limits, but you think that someone doing 10 over deserves a ticket. So what happens when that limit gets raised by 10mph?? I think all those people who got tickets for 10 over should be granted to a full refund. Again, just cause "they" post a sign, doesn't mean it's what is right and just. The bigger issue here is the targeting of sports cars, and the way in which they go about their speed traps. If they really are out there protecting and serving, then they should be setting up on rainy, foggy, snowy days.. or on twisty parts of the road, or in school zones.. etc. My friends father told me flat out that rainy days are the best ones to speed on, cause cops never never never set up traps on those days.
I'm sorry about your friend, that truly is a sad story.
This is the most ignorant thread that I have ever came across...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for raising the speed limits. Technology has come a long way since many of those limits were set; cars perform better and are much safer then they were 20 years ago. However...
Profiling? I don't think so... Its called plain stupid human nature. In a sea of black cars, there is a yellow sports car weaving in and out of traffic, which one will you notice? Sports cars are generally higher in insurance. Why is that? True, in some areas of the US, some cops still have quotas to fill and they have a job to do, but I doubt highly that they specifically go after sports cars or the Honda S2000. In an endless road of speeding cars, the cop, just by human nature will select the first one to grab his attention, in this case usually a sports car. If you want to lessen your chances of getting a ticket than go buy a black yugo.
Speed limits are set low to generate revenue? How about speed limits are set for safety. In South Florida, the speed limit is 75MPH in some areas but are generally 65MPH in most expressways. Most cops here will allow a 10MPH buffer.
Speed and the ability to control it is based solely on driver skill and experience. Speed in the hands of an inexperienced driver is a dangerous combination. Speed kills period. Inexperienced young drivers in high power sports cars make a pretty good weapon. Everyday in South Florida, I hear of some kid street racing or driving like a moron end up dead or crippled for life because they lost control. Personally, I've lost a friend because of this. Inexperienced driver in a new 300ZX slamming into a tree. Four dead on impact.
Just because we own cars that were made for speed doesn't give you a license to speed and immunity to traffic laws. No one is above the law, not even us, S2000 owners. True, the S2000 is capable of attaining speeds up to 175 + MPH. And many of us, including myself, have pushed the limit. But if caught by a cop speeding (either going 10 over and 50 over), you DESERVE to get a ticket, end of story.
Everytime you go past the posted speed limit, rather or not you agree with it, you are speeding and breaking the law. If a cop sees you, you should and deserve to get a ticket.
A) I am not talking about a "yellow sports car weaving in and out of a sea of black cars" (you're really reaching here to try and make your point). I specifically stated that if the sports car is the car driving unreasonably faster than everyone else, then yes - he deserves a ticket. What I AM talking about (since this seems too difficult to grasp), is a cop specifically choosing to pick on a sports car, when he has plently of other choices.. plenty of other just-as-deserving people on the road. In fact, an SUV is MORE deserving of a ticket than the sports car (assuming the speed is equal). How much larger is the SUV, how much WORSE does it handle? How mant more people might it be carrying??!!!
B) YES, speed limits are used to generate revenue!! DUH. Back in the 1970's, the national speed limit was higher (something like 65 or 70). Then the oil crisis hit and they lowered it to 55 - for one and only one reason; to save oil. Then the oil crisis passed and they "conveniently FORGOT" to raise the limit back up again for many many years. Gee, wonder why??? MONEY. MONEY MONEY MONEY. Everything revolves around money... it's just like the wife of that cop told me: she said "Their quota is so high because the county depends on that revenue". Guess what else she told me... she told me that while her husband does not participate in this (yeah, right) - most of his fellow officers do indeed TARGET SPORTS CARS, especially ones with MALE drivers.
You contradict yourself terribly... you are all for raising the speed limits, but you think that someone doing 10 over deserves a ticket. So what happens when that limit gets raised by 10mph?? I think all those people who got tickets for 10 over should be granted to a full refund. Again, just cause "they" post a sign, doesn't mean it's what is right and just. The bigger issue here is the targeting of sports cars, and the way in which they go about their speed traps. If they really are out there protecting and serving, then they should be setting up on rainy, foggy, snowy days.. or on twisty parts of the road, or in school zones.. etc. My friends father told me flat out that rainy days are the best ones to speed on, cause cops never never never set up traps on those days.
I'm sorry about your friend, that truly is a sad story.
This is the most ignorant thread that I have ever came across...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for raising the speed limits. Technology has come a long way since many of those limits were set; cars perform better and are much safer then they were 20 years ago. However...
Profiling? I don't think so... Its called plain stupid human nature. In a sea of black cars, there is a yellow sports car weaving in and out of traffic, which one will you notice? Sports cars are generally higher in insurance. Why is that? True, in some areas of the US, some cops still have quotas to fill and they have a job to do, but I doubt highly that they specifically go after sports cars or the Honda S2000. In an endless road of speeding cars, the cop, just by human nature will select the first one to grab his attention, in this case usually a sports car. If you want to lessen your chances of getting a ticket than go buy a black yugo.
Speed limits are set low to generate revenue? How about speed limits are set for safety. In South Florida, the speed limit is 75MPH in some areas but are generally 65MPH in most expressways. Most cops here will allow a 10MPH buffer.
Speed and the ability to control it is based solely on driver skill and experience. Speed in the hands of an inexperienced driver is a dangerous combination. Speed kills period. Inexperienced young drivers in high power sports cars make a pretty good weapon. Everyday in South Florida, I hear of some kid street racing or driving like a moron end up dead or crippled for life because they lost control. Personally, I've lost a friend because of this. Inexperienced driver in a new 300ZX slamming into a tree. Four dead on impact.
Just because we own cars that were made for speed doesn't give you a license to speed and immunity to traffic laws. No one is above the law, not even us, S2000 owners. True, the S2000 is capable of attaining speeds up to 175 + MPH. And many of us, including myself, have pushed the limit. But if caught by a cop speeding (either going 10 over and 50 over), you DESERVE to get a ticket, end of story.
Everytime you go past the posted speed limit, rather or not you agree with it, you are speeding and breaking the law. If a cop sees you, you should and deserve to get a ticket.