what would you ask jesus
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Originally Posted by Zeniac,Dec 8 2004, 11:43 AM
The Judeo-Christian-Muslim concept of man as separate from "God" has been a difficult thing for me to understand. I have felt that we are all a part of the Source or "God", whether we know it or not. In this regard, from my own experiences, since first becoming aware, I have never felt separate from but always a part of. My concept of sin, is that of not being aware of this truth. The darkness is the ignorance of being of Spirit. Likewise, being "Saved" is to become aware of this Truth. The light is the awakening to this and once known our hearts are changed forever. It is impossible to continue life as it was before "awakening". Whether you call it "The Holy Spirit" or "Buddha-Nature" or whatever, the "God Consciousness" or "Mindfulness" never leaves you. It has nothing to do with being Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist, the "Truth" is the understanding of this reality. As Krishna said in the Bhagavad-Gita :
"I am the one source of all: The evolution of all comes from me. I am beginningless, unborn, the Lord of the worlds. I am the soul which dwells in the heart of all things. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all that lives. I am the seed of all things that are: and no being that moves or moves not can ever be without me."
There are many "truisms" in the Christian Bible or Muslim Koran, Greek Mythology, or even Science Fiction that have many of the "Truths" if read within an allegorical context. The "Word" and instructions are found throughout many, many writings. What is important it the ability to see beyond the obvious and get the bigger picture. I attempt to invite all people to reach out and look beyond the "Institutional Gods" to find their own "Way". When I have been truly inspired it has always been a clear message without any doubt as to It's meaning, I think the same is true for all of us, we just need to quiet ourselves to listen. My studies of other faiths have helped me immeasurably to better understand my own beliefs and I continue to look to the things that are common to all faiths as that which may have more validity than that which attempts to separate us.
What is "the Word?" Is it a book written by men? Is it a smile from an old man, or a young child? Is it a glorious sunrise? Or the birth of a kitten? Or the rain nourishing the earth? Is it the cry of the coyote? Or is it a voice that comes from within our heart? What isn't "The Word?" I have become awakened in a profound and unexpected way. The message is so clear that once made aware, I could not imagine how I could have ever thought otherwise. It didn't just change my opinion, it changed my entire world. JonBoy, for me, this "Word" has always been very clear, it is the words of man that I have trouble understanding.
Although we can learn a lot from the experiences of others, our ultimate journey to awakening and "Oneness" is made alone. Learning of other's experiences can aid us (more like a catalyst) in our path to understanding, but it is a poor substitution for the real thing. We often rob ourselves of the richness of the teachings of all those that have come before us because of dogma or notions that we may cling to. I look to the wisdom of others as a guide, but prepare to make the last leg of the trip solo.
I really like the passage from the Gnostic gospels:
LET HIM WHO SEEKS, not cease seeking until he finds, and when he finds, he will be troubled, and when he has been troubled, he will marvel and he will reign over the All. - The Gospel according to Thomas, logion 2
It is through an open mind and heart that we create the environment to help us learn to look deeply and to develop understanding and compassion. As they say in AA; "Let go and let God." Free ourselves from the shackles of intolerance and distrust; live to the fullest every moment of this life we have. It is only a blink of time that we are here, and we must not waste the opportunity to uncover the truth because of fear of the unknown. It is through experience that we gain insight and wisdom, and only by leaving the bounds of our comfort zone do we gain the experience.
Let me close with a saying from one of the Desert Fathers in Thomas Merton's "Wisdom of the Desert":
"It happens that one man eats more and yet remains hungry, and another man eats less, and is satisfied. The greater reward belongs to the one who ate more and is still hungry, than to him who ate less and is satisfied."
May you always be hungry,
"I am the one source of all: The evolution of all comes from me. I am beginningless, unborn, the Lord of the worlds. I am the soul which dwells in the heart of all things. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all that lives. I am the seed of all things that are: and no being that moves or moves not can ever be without me."
There are many "truisms" in the Christian Bible or Muslim Koran, Greek Mythology, or even Science Fiction that have many of the "Truths" if read within an allegorical context. The "Word" and instructions are found throughout many, many writings. What is important it the ability to see beyond the obvious and get the bigger picture. I attempt to invite all people to reach out and look beyond the "Institutional Gods" to find their own "Way". When I have been truly inspired it has always been a clear message without any doubt as to It's meaning, I think the same is true for all of us, we just need to quiet ourselves to listen. My studies of other faiths have helped me immeasurably to better understand my own beliefs and I continue to look to the things that are common to all faiths as that which may have more validity than that which attempts to separate us.
What is "the Word?" Is it a book written by men? Is it a smile from an old man, or a young child? Is it a glorious sunrise? Or the birth of a kitten? Or the rain nourishing the earth? Is it the cry of the coyote? Or is it a voice that comes from within our heart? What isn't "The Word?" I have become awakened in a profound and unexpected way. The message is so clear that once made aware, I could not imagine how I could have ever thought otherwise. It didn't just change my opinion, it changed my entire world. JonBoy, for me, this "Word" has always been very clear, it is the words of man that I have trouble understanding.
Although we can learn a lot from the experiences of others, our ultimate journey to awakening and "Oneness" is made alone. Learning of other's experiences can aid us (more like a catalyst) in our path to understanding, but it is a poor substitution for the real thing. We often rob ourselves of the richness of the teachings of all those that have come before us because of dogma or notions that we may cling to. I look to the wisdom of others as a guide, but prepare to make the last leg of the trip solo.
I really like the passage from the Gnostic gospels:
LET HIM WHO SEEKS, not cease seeking until he finds, and when he finds, he will be troubled, and when he has been troubled, he will marvel and he will reign over the All. - The Gospel according to Thomas, logion 2
It is through an open mind and heart that we create the environment to help us learn to look deeply and to develop understanding and compassion. As they say in AA; "Let go and let God." Free ourselves from the shackles of intolerance and distrust; live to the fullest every moment of this life we have. It is only a blink of time that we are here, and we must not waste the opportunity to uncover the truth because of fear of the unknown. It is through experience that we gain insight and wisdom, and only by leaving the bounds of our comfort zone do we gain the experience.
Let me close with a saying from one of the Desert Fathers in Thomas Merton's "Wisdom of the Desert":
"It happens that one man eats more and yet remains hungry, and another man eats less, and is satisfied. The greater reward belongs to the one who ate more and is still hungry, than to him who ate less and is satisfied."
May you always be hungry,
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holy qwuap, been gone a month and come back to see civil war in the community! 
Like always, this topic invloves too many people's emotions leading to flame wars. Please, people, just ANSWER THE TOPIC QUESTION. Even if its a stupid or weird answer, who cares, if youre offended by the answer, please, just move on.
Obviously this entire topic is biased and opinionated so the chance of anyone changing their ideas is slim to none. Internet fighting is STOOPID.
BTW im Catholic
and would ask if I was goin to heaven or not
Like always, this topic invloves too many people's emotions leading to flame wars. Please, people, just ANSWER THE TOPIC QUESTION. Even if its a stupid or weird answer, who cares, if youre offended by the answer, please, just move on. Obviously this entire topic is biased and opinionated so the chance of anyone changing their ideas is slim to none. Internet fighting is STOOPID.
BTW im Catholic
and would ask if I was goin to heaven or not
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Originally Posted by KookyBastard32,Dec 8 2004, 06:53 PM
holy qwuap, been gone a month and come back to see civil war in the community! Like always, this topic invloves too many people's emotions leading to flame wars. Please, people, just ANSWER THE TOPIC QUESTION. Even if its a stupid or weird answer, who cares, if youre offended by the answer, please, just move on.
Obviously this entire topic is biased and opinionated so the chance of anyone changing their ideas is slim to none. Internet fighting is STOOPID.
BTW im Catholic and would ask if I was goin to heaven or not
Like always, this topic invloves too many people's emotions leading to flame wars. Please, people, just ANSWER THE TOPIC QUESTION. Even if its a stupid or weird answer, who cares, if youre offended by the answer, please, just move on. Obviously this entire topic is biased and opinionated so the chance of anyone changing their ideas is slim to none. Internet fighting is STOOPID.
BTW im Catholic
and would ask if I was goin to heaven or not
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Originally Posted by AutoAviat,Dec 8 2004, 10:43 AM
Ok Beavis, whatever! I can bounce a ball off a while and prove the angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection. I can prove that if I drop a rock off of a cliff it will accelerate at 9.8 m/s ^2. I can prove that when water reaches 100 C it will boil. So how is science faith?
SiDriver stated previously that if there were a fire in the house wouldn't you want to let everyone know about it (in reference to my criticizm of Christians spreading their gospel on all the weak and poor)......well, how come I don't see you guys spreading the gospel in Iraq, Yemen, Jordan, Saudi, Malaysia, Afghan? I'll tell you why, cause ya'll will get your head cut straight the F off! Hmm....so you only spread the word at your convenience even though your bible says you must do it everywhere in the name of Jesus. Hypocracy at it's finest.
SiDriver stated previously that if there were a fire in the house wouldn't you want to let everyone know about it (in reference to my criticizm of Christians spreading their gospel on all the weak and poor)......well, how come I don't see you guys spreading the gospel in Iraq, Yemen, Jordan, Saudi, Malaysia, Afghan? I'll tell you why, cause ya'll will get your head cut straight the F off! Hmm....so you only spread the word at your convenience even though your bible says you must do it everywhere in the name of Jesus. Hypocracy at it's finest.
Science is circular. It's as faith-based as Christianity.
Prove to me that you're awake. Science tells you that you're awake. But prove it. You can't. You just have faith that you are.
I know of Christians spreading the Christian gospel in some of the countries you mention. I personally know people that were thrown into jail in China (men and women) for teaching. These people were American and Canadian! Just because you don't know about it (why would you?) doesn't mean it isn't happening.
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Wait I do have a few questions for Jesus.
If ignorance is bliss, eternal all knowing and immortality must be a form of personal Hell, right? I would imagine knowing everything would be akin to doing a 2+2=4 math problem repeatedly for all eternity... pretty darn boring I reckon.
If you already know everything, then what is the "purpose" of YOUR existence as it relates to your being, independent of humans? To create stinky humans seems like a feeble existence in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure it's fun to watch humans maim and kill others and destroy the planet they reside on based on their perceived beliefs of your existence, but you gotta have some fun for yourself sometimes too. I personally get bored playing Sim City after my nice pretty city is all "built and stuff" and feel the need to FVCK SH1T up, so I can understand an atrocity every once in a while. Just go easy on the northern part of Cinci if you would.
I take it when you were a young god, just growing up, you liked playing with dinosaurs. ME too!!! We have something in common! The tyrannosaurus was killer, I must commend you on that! The only thing is, why did you give him such short arms? Don't dinosaurs like to masturbate too?
That's all for now god. I have to go back to work. I'm sure that is what you had intended for humans, work eat sleep repeat till dead, right? I'm sure you intended us to dwell in habitats call cubicles and argue amongst each other for our entire lives. I hope that our existence isn't going to become one like the dinosaurs where you feel the need to start over. But if you do, I understand, after all, ignorance is bliss. Carryon....
If ignorance is bliss, eternal all knowing and immortality must be a form of personal Hell, right? I would imagine knowing everything would be akin to doing a 2+2=4 math problem repeatedly for all eternity... pretty darn boring I reckon.
If you already know everything, then what is the "purpose" of YOUR existence as it relates to your being, independent of humans? To create stinky humans seems like a feeble existence in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure it's fun to watch humans maim and kill others and destroy the planet they reside on based on their perceived beliefs of your existence, but you gotta have some fun for yourself sometimes too. I personally get bored playing Sim City after my nice pretty city is all "built and stuff" and feel the need to FVCK SH1T up, so I can understand an atrocity every once in a while. Just go easy on the northern part of Cinci if you would.
I take it when you were a young god, just growing up, you liked playing with dinosaurs. ME too!!! We have something in common! The tyrannosaurus was killer, I must commend you on that! The only thing is, why did you give him such short arms? Don't dinosaurs like to masturbate too?
That's all for now god. I have to go back to work. I'm sure that is what you had intended for humans, work eat sleep repeat till dead, right? I'm sure you intended us to dwell in habitats call cubicles and argue amongst each other for our entire lives. I hope that our existence isn't going to become one like the dinosaurs where you feel the need to start over. But if you do, I understand, after all, ignorance is bliss. Carryon....