LOL

what principle?

dave over-reacted...that's it, that's all.

truth be told, and you'd have to read the posts in question, dave actually escalated the situation.

A (nate) creates something, B inquires about acquiring the thing, C (dave) says just take it.

A takes exception as any person would, C argues the exception.

whose and more importantly WHAT principle is at play here?

face it boys, dave just went off the deep end....simple.

 

A shouldn't have posted the picture on the internet if he didn't want someone to take it.

I have printed off many of xviper's DIY's for my own use.

 

but that's the principle....

what if dave said don't print my DIY's?

would you respect that or not?

 

btw, i like dave....but just calling it like i see it.

 

Agreed. And when you get the Pitts we'll have to go for a flight

 

<<<what principle?>>>

A "created" nothing...he stole others' work and created deriviatives he called his own and sold them...B wanted his own derivative of the stolen item, Dave says why not go ahead and take it, it's already stolen.

The principle (as I see it) is thieves have no rights to the stuff they steal. If you rip off other peoples' stuff, then it's fair play when it's ripped off from you. That said, we're not talking anything of real value here...normal Netiquette for A would have been to say, "hey, no big deal, copy it and have fun with it..." Which is how Dave has always reacted when the valuable >>>created from scratch<<< DIY pieces he authored were widely and freely shared within the community...

Seems more than a little hypocritical for A to be getting all righteous about people taking "his work"...Dave, more than anyone on this site, had the right to call him on it.

Could the participants in the "discussion" have been less strident? Yes...
Could the real issues have been more clearly articulated? Yes...
Could site management have intervened to mediate? Yes...

Does any of this matter now? No...Dave's gone and A still likely thinks he hasn't done anything wrong.

 

Well put.

 

Dave would never say that...I believe that was why he felt so strongly about it.

 

And as gcurnew stated, Dave's DIY's are entirely his creation and presented for free. DB8 stole (according to his own definition) the picture of the car, made a minor tweak, and was selling the picture.

 

Well I realize I'm not going to find any friends so far from home, but I wanted to respond to this post. I'm not posting here to start an argument (I would hope we're above that), but instead to clear up some misinformation. Could you please go into detail as to what work was "stolen" by me?

If you're talking about me "stealing" Honda's hard work, you're misinformed, as nothing has been stolen from them. The drawings were commissioned by the OWNERS of the respective vehicles. It's the same as if you paid someone to take a photograph of your car- it's not "stolen" if you own the vehicle.

It would be one thing if I was creating drawings of the S2000, and selling them to the general public, as I would need Honda's permission to use a likeness of their vehicle for profit. However, the rights to EACH vehicle drawn (and sold) already belongs to each respective owner.

Again, please go into detail as to what work was "stolen" by me.

There's so much misinformation going on around here it's not even funny.

As for me thinking I haven't done anything wrong- if anything I concede that I could (should?) have been more patient from the beginning, and that starting a new thread in my "home" forum was in poor taste, although if Dave's response to me hadn't been so inflammatory, that post most likely wouldn't have happened. If you're expecting me to cop to doing something wrong in asking that people respect other people's work on S2ki, it's not going to happen. Just because something is posted on the 'net and you don't think it's worth anything, does not make it right to encourage others to have their way with it, especially in a community such as S2ki. There are countless photographers, designers, writers and artists on this site who should always feel free to post their work without fear of others encouraging piracy. What Dave was doing was akin to me encouraging someone to copy and paste Dave's DIY threads on his/her own website without (a) asking permission and (b) giving proper credit to Dave. How many of you would change your tune if that were the case? But of course, I would never encourage that, because I know it's not right.

In the end, it's unfortunate that Dave chose to leave over something so trivial. I will personally miss his insight and knowledge around here, and wish he would reconsider (although obviously not happening.) If any of you sincerely think that I personally was responsible for his departure, then so be it. Thankfully now that things have died down a little bit, there are enough people out there who are able to see things as they are, not through emotion.