GSteg, why bother arguing with these people. these people will not believe what you tell them. even after you introduce them to the people in team gates, they will still use a yellow top and still argue it is better. these people on s2ki think they know everything and spread their jacked up info around.

seriously though, after being in here actively for over a month now, i noticed they spread a lot of car audio myths. i gave up on this forum, partially. im only helping those who actually want to know some good info and are willing to listen instead of argue.

i know you know your car audio, dont waste your time trying to give them some real info.

oh yea, to those who believe in a spec/data sheet, you have a lot to learn.

 

What makes you guys experts??? I know you know it all and that's fine, the fact is you both can go to the OPTIMA website and read it for yourself, the Yellow top is better for cars with system mods and the like.

I quoted this right from the OPTIMA site:

"If your vehicle has a lot of accessories like running lights, high-performance stereo/AV system, winches, or hydraulics, your vehicle demands more from its battery. OPTIMA YellowTOP batteries provide the extra performance and deep cycling capability that your vehicle demands."

So please do us all a favor and listen to your friend and ATF Kuk, please feel free to continue to spare us your company

Thanks pal

 

4cyl or not, cranking amp dictatates how much current is available at startup. to people who lives in a bit more extreme climates, i would bet having the car start is more important than seeing how long the battery will last when the car is off.



when honda post the peak hp and tq specs on their site, does it really mean anything in the real world? Would it be better if they actually showed all their customers the hp/torque vs RPM graph? Do you guys only care about peak powers?


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[B]If people are here, it would mostly likely mean they are upgrading their sound system so again... the Red top is fine with replacing a stock battery in a vehicle with

 

I prefer an unbias answer over what the manufactor has to say about their product.


I don't need to read optima's site to find the whole truth..


Now let me ask you a question...what are the benefits of having a yellow top over a red top? Since you have read optima's site with depth, did they also point out that deep cycle batteries requires higher voltage to recharge or else the alternator might fail? Did they tell you that? Or is it that everything on optima's site is a two-sided truth? How will it benefit the electrical system if deep cycle batteries require more voltage to recharge?

 

Well you win Mr. Know it all. You really showed me... Have fun kid... good luck, do me a favor and many others here a favor and spare us your company as well.

Oh and by the way smart ass I drained the battery down about 3 or 4 times last winter... and wouldn't you know I run a solid 14.4v ... just like a champ Good call pal.

see ya later kid

 

is everything optima state is 100% correct? If i were to talk to a honda salesman and he said that hondas are better than toyota for X reason, is it 100% fact?



did you also notice that the yellow top is more expensive, thus generating more profit? If the yellow top were designed to meet the "high-performance" stereo, how come it failed so much in the SPL and SQ arena? Why did the red top work better than the yellow top for those users when they are running extreme power? i though optima said the yellow tops were better suited?


The last resource I would use as evidence that X is better than Y is the manufactor itself. Sure they can post the peak amp/hr, but how do they behave after they are drained? You only get peak performance chart, but peak means crap anyways.

I'm no expert. I consider myself a newby. I'm just exposed to a lot of electricity where I work.

 

It's great that you run a solid 14.4v. but that is potential difference, not capacity. If you knew the difference between voltage and capacity, then you would know what to test for. But since you only measured the voltage, it holds no value for the capacity, which is what I am pointing out.

12v battery with 50% capacity has the same voltage difference as a 12v battery with 100% capacity.


Take physics yet?

 

i'll see you too.

btw, how did u know i was a kid aside from my poor grammar?

 

Enough with the battery debate, its a damm battery.

Yellow top, red top, black top, cherry on top who cares.

I recall this thread started to help someone decide on a stereo system.

And we did just that. ZRO keep us posted on how the install goes.

Merry christmas.

 

well, this turned out to more than just a debate, its about fact from myth. there is a lot of myth floating around this audio forum. im just trying to help out with the myths around here. im sure GSteg is as well. we were not here to argue or find reason to piss people off. peolpe here are big headed and will not take any other info other then their own, seriously.

most of our debates has had pure facts behind them, yet most of the replys we get from some of you guys is crap. a lot of you believes in myths. if my information is not valued here, thats fine. ive been fine with it. im just some guy thats knows about a few things and can probably help some of you guys with your system. hell, im sure that GSteg and i, can help some of you guys build better systems that before. im also trying to destroy most of the myths around here. im sure there are a lot of myths i still do not know about, but the ones that i can identify as purely myth, i will try to give pure fact.

as seen in this thread, GSteg gave pure facts about his arguement. even said he can introduce to darkknight to a few competitors that say red top is better. he still has to argue. GSteg also talked about marketing schemes and he still had to say something back. if this was a normal conversation about marketing schemes, i bet he will agree that all successful major companies have great marketing teams behind them.

calling people kids, arguing back and forth, telling him his facts based on his very very low knowledge about voltage and capacity, this is all uneccessary. we are all car audio enthusiasts here, we all have one goal, having a great system for the amount of money we put in. there are a lot of shortcuts and tactics to that goal, if we cant all agree on that, what can we agree on.

as stated above, i feel that my information is useless here. i feel that a lot of you do not want to believe in what i say. if one of you did something wrong or was about to make a wrong choice, should i say something? i feel that most of you would not believe a word i say. think about that.

darkknight, you need to get a life. calling peolpe kid, yet you're being so damn immature about the whole thing.