does radar detector helps?
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Originally Posted by Kyushin,Jan 21 2007, 03:32 PM
Well according to radiation physics and principle of how a RD works is "IF" you are not the one that the beam is directly aimed at, the detectors pick up the secondary radiation that falls off of the beam called scatter. I agree that if you are the only person on the road and no other cars around, your detector is useless. Im situations where there are many cars on the road and the cop has already been clocking, you pick up this scatter radiation and know to slow down. Many cops are trained how to play word games and not enough in radiation physics to make an educated statement on wether a RD works or not. Now in the situations where your detector will simply not pick up a signal are some guns that hop frequencies out of the range that you detect.
Having a RD doesnt not convict you as guilty even when puled over for speeding, it is your best bet to say nothing at all to the cop when he plays his word games to get you to admit guilt. We all know then "Do you know why I pulled you over?", "Do you know how fast you were going", "Why are you in such a hurry?", "Do you know the speed limit on this road?" all 2 sided coins they use to burn you, simply say nothing to them and your traffic attourney will have a much easier time having the charge dropped. Radars are not 100% accurate; however, they are the most statistical method of getting a person into the situation so the cop has reason to pull you over and play word games so you incriminate yourself.
Now in the sense where a cop tells you a radar detector is garbage, if he is saying that a detector designed to detect waves of same frequency, then he needs to take some classes on radiation physics and get over himself and his badge.
Having a RD doesnt not convict you as guilty even when puled over for speeding, it is your best bet to say nothing at all to the cop when he plays his word games to get you to admit guilt. We all know then "Do you know why I pulled you over?", "Do you know how fast you were going", "Why are you in such a hurry?", "Do you know the speed limit on this road?" all 2 sided coins they use to burn you, simply say nothing to them and your traffic attourney will have a much easier time having the charge dropped. Radars are not 100% accurate; however, they are the most statistical method of getting a person into the situation so the cop has reason to pull you over and play word games so you incriminate yourself.
Now in the sense where a cop tells you a radar detector is garbage, if he is saying that a detector designed to detect waves of same frequency, then he needs to take some classes on radiation physics and get over himself and his badge.
jeez....all i was trying to do was save some people some money...easiest way to get out of a traffic ticket is to not argue with the cop, i agree not to admit any guilt, and that applies to anything to due with law enforcement. seems like someone has a bad taste in their mouth for cops. i also agree 
when it comes to mulitple cars and radar that yes, your detector will work, but when do most people get pulled over? traveling on long stretches of highway or a nice curvy road alone where a cop sits there and watches for a speeder. i had also stated that most agencies are making the shift to laser detection, in this case there is no scatter for your detector to pick up, the guns actually have a aiming system built into them designed to defeat radar detectors. i am not saying that anyone who has it is stupid or that they should throw them away, i'm just saying i would not buy one, thats all. and to say that cops need to take radiation physics classes is just stupid, to be able to use a radar gun you need to be certified through the National Highway Traffic Saftey Association(NHTSA) in a dopler radar class....anyhow, sorry i put in my two cents, i was just trying to save people money 
sheesh get over my badge.....psh.... 
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Heh sorry, i wasnt tryin to be rude, just saying in most cases that could be the situation. But I do agree with you that they are useless in a given situation, but its knowing when to and when not to speed, if youre the only guy on the road, and youre tagged, no RD will save ya then.
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Originally Posted by USMC2006s2k,Jan 21 2007, 07:30 PM
jeez....all i was trying to do was save some people some money...easiest way to get out of a traffic ticket is to not argue with the cop, i agree not to admit any guilt, and that applies to anything to due with law enforcement. seems like someone has a bad taste in their mouth for cops. i also agree when it comes to mulitple cars and radar that yes, your detector will work, but when do most people get pulled over? traveling on long stretches of highway or a nice curvy road alone where a cop sits there and watches for a speeder. i had also stated that most agencies are making the shift to laser detection, in this case there is no scatter for your detector to pick up, the guns actually have a aiming system built into them designed to defeat radar detectors. i am not saying that anyone who has it is stupid or that they should throw them away, i'm just saying i would not buy one, thats all. and to say that cops need to take radiation physics classes is just stupid, to be able to use a radar gun you need to be certified through the National Highway Traffic Saftey Association(NHTSA) in a dopler radar class....anyhow, sorry i put in my two cents, i was just trying to save people money sheesh get over my badge.....psh.... 
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Originally Posted by USMC2006s2k,Jan 21 2007, 03:08 PM
okay here's the deal. I am a Military Police officer, and have been attached to the traffic section for 2 years now( basically speed surveys, dui check points, dui enforcement, speed enforcement etc...) i have been running radar<-- cop term for radar enforcement, for the last two years and i will tell you that radar detectors are all garbage. Most law enforcement agencies are going to lasar(laser long range aimable detection)anyhow, and all the radar detector is going to do is tell you that your going to get pulled over and probably yelled at and then harassed and then cited(none of which i do, i usually give verbal or written warnings). Radar works on the radar gun like it works for a plane, it sends out a signal and then shows speed and location if its the expensive kind. By the time your radar detector goes off, the radar signal is already on its way back to the cop telling you how fast you were going at the time of the first trigger pull, also if he's running stationary radar(side of the road hiding) then your radar isn't going to go off until he pulls the trigger anyhow so yeah...to make a long story short, don't waste your money. JUST MY TWO CENTS.....
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jammers may be illegal, and it shows that you have one, but if the cop can't find it and you DON'T GIVE HIM PERMISSION TO SEARCH YOUR VEHICLE then he can't prove shit. i am more than willing to give my fellow s owners secrets to get out of certain crimes/citations. like....if you ever get pulled over for a dui/dwi, don't refuse to blow into the machine, you can fight the machine....you can't fight the refusal. a refusal is an automatic 1 year suspension in most states...and in some states an automatic impound of your vehicle for 30days at the owners expense....and i didn't take offense to say anything...i was just joking about the whole thing...but seriously.....it best to speed on mountain roads with no shoulder and one way traffic....hacienda blvd in california....highway 95 in southern arizona...windy smooth and no cop is stupid enough or is suicidal enough to park on the three foot shoulder when he knows he's probably gonna get rear ended or sideswiped....and if he pulls you over he runs the risk of getting run over...OH OH OH....and always ALWAYS ask in court for the calibration records of the gun or radar/laser unit the officer was using....9 times out of 10 they are out of date...just something i thought you guys would find amusing....oh and if any other cops are mad at me for telling people this....think about how many tickets you get off of by showing your credentials... 
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USMC2006 is absolutely correct in his advice regarding a DUI stop. You should blow into the GCI machine, but in my state, the only reading that matters is the one at the station. The portable devices that the motors carry are prone to error and the courts in this jurisdiction only allow the GCI reading in from a stationary unit after the state has properly provided sufficient evidence that the stationary GCI was accuratly working both before and the date he stopped one of us. But I am not sure that this is the case in other states in terms of disallowing the reading from a portable handheld breath analyizer. To continue, you should agree to blow into the stationary GCI machine whereever it is located.
Once you have been asked to step out of the vehicle, this is when you should inform the officer that you REFUSE to perform any field sobriety tests and that you will REFUSE to answer any of the questions contained in the DR - short for Departmental Report that he will attempt to ask you when you are taken to the station. Remember, each and every field sobriety tes, as well as most of the questions contained in the DR are slanted to favor the officer's opinion that you are under the influence and the results of taking the tests and your answers to the DR significantly assist the state's attorney to secure a conviction of DUI. Most individuals never will not follow this advice because they cannot remember. But in light of the extreme stress of being stopped, subject to Q&A, investigated by the police, asked to step outside to perform a series of balance, turnng, vocabulary, eye coordination tests with search lights spotted on you from the police car, plus the back up unit, the red and blue lights seemingly causing everyone to become dizzy, other vehicles traveling by, lack of solid ground or ground with weed, gravel and other debris along the side of the road, it is hard for most sober people to pass many of these tests under these extreme conditions. So, assuming you refused to answer any questions, the GCI calibration test for the unit used to determine your BAC failed its accuracy exam by a CSI type dude after your reading was submitted with the DR after arrest, then the only evidence is the officer's testimoney re: your driving and a few personal observations of your mental and physical abilities or impaiment. Your odds of winning this type of case are significantly higher than if you comlied with all of the cop's requests at time of stop.
If you are interested, I can take you through a simple but quite accurate method of determinig your BAC on your own without any machine. It is based on studies of alcohol ingestion and burn off rates and is generally used in many DUI defenses. But this would certainly be considered behond the scope of this thread.
Be well and drive safe all!
Once you have been asked to step out of the vehicle, this is when you should inform the officer that you REFUSE to perform any field sobriety tests and that you will REFUSE to answer any of the questions contained in the DR - short for Departmental Report that he will attempt to ask you when you are taken to the station. Remember, each and every field sobriety tes, as well as most of the questions contained in the DR are slanted to favor the officer's opinion that you are under the influence and the results of taking the tests and your answers to the DR significantly assist the state's attorney to secure a conviction of DUI. Most individuals never will not follow this advice because they cannot remember. But in light of the extreme stress of being stopped, subject to Q&A, investigated by the police, asked to step outside to perform a series of balance, turnng, vocabulary, eye coordination tests with search lights spotted on you from the police car, plus the back up unit, the red and blue lights seemingly causing everyone to become dizzy, other vehicles traveling by, lack of solid ground or ground with weed, gravel and other debris along the side of the road, it is hard for most sober people to pass many of these tests under these extreme conditions. So, assuming you refused to answer any questions, the GCI calibration test for the unit used to determine your BAC failed its accuracy exam by a CSI type dude after your reading was submitted with the DR after arrest, then the only evidence is the officer's testimoney re: your driving and a few personal observations of your mental and physical abilities or impaiment. Your odds of winning this type of case are significantly higher than if you comlied with all of the cop's requests at time of stop.
If you are interested, I can take you through a simple but quite accurate method of determinig your BAC on your own without any machine. It is based on studies of alcohol ingestion and burn off rates and is generally used in many DUI defenses. But this would certainly be considered behond the scope of this thread.
Be well and drive safe all!
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Originally Posted by GRUNTS2K,Jan 21 2007, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyushin,Jan 22 2007, 09:56 AM
I could never argue against driving under the influence of alcohol, I agree there are no excuses for doing so because thats what a cab is for.