Biiiiiig difference between a BMW stock sound system and a Honda one.

 

care to tell me how the radios are different?

 

BMW decks are made to push more power - as a matter of fact, most of them are built by Alpine


How much longer are you going to argue your position? Not a single person here has agreed with you so far and you have yet to say anything about a S2000 (which we all happen to own and give advice on). Maybe if we were talking about Tacomas or X5's, you'd have a viable point (probably not on the Tacoma) - but - the only vehicles I can think of that have a stock HU and actually do hang with an amp are mostly German vehicles......most Japanese vehicles (not carrying Lexus, Acura, or Infinity badges) have crap HU's that need to be replaced to achieve a better sound. This is certainly the case for the S2000.

 

u still have not given me an answer to my question. care to tell me how they are different. other than the fact of they push more power? wut facts do u have to backup ur statement? none. until u give me one, which u wont, because they push just about the same power, ur statement is worthless to me. BMW's use a seperate amplifier. if u bypass the amp, the radio is still shit. use a preline driver of some sort, at it can sound great.

all the cars u happen to say have a good radio, uses an external amplifier. u obviously do not know wut u r talking about so please... stop responding. until u have used a pre-line driver and did not like the,outcome, please do not comment.

u seem to gloat about the fact that the BMW system is good because it is made by alpine. all car audiophiles think the stock system is crap. the harmon kardon system are horrible. the only good thing i can say about it is, good midbass, but its not even accurate.

ur right, im not going to argue anymore. this is immature, i gave my suggestion. because at the end of the day, none of u will try to comprehend that a stock stereo can sound good.

u know wut though, i will build a quality system with a stock hu, have one of u listen to it without knowing it is a stock radio, and then possibly, u guys will see wut i am trying to tell u.

since filtcroft is the only one i know of in the los angeles area, he can demo it first.

 

I'll agree that a stock stereo can sound good, but for what this person is trying to accomplish in his/her S2000 the stock HU has gotta go.

I don't think we've dived into immaturity with this argument and I certainly don't find you to be immature - any person who stands up for what he/she believes in (no matter which side of the argument I'm on) is someone that I can respect

If you want an immature argument just swing on over to "Street Encounters" - where down right flaming and insults are the theme of the forum.

As far as this thread goes, I think the thread starter has enough information to make a decision and I'm going to pipe down, unless another question seeking advice arises.

 

this is how misinformation gets around to people.

like PJK3, i like precise info. so here is some precise info.

BMW radios are not made by alpine . as a matter of fact, they are in no way affiliated with alpine. alpine did not even create them. they were manufactured by ALPS, which is a parent company of Alpine. i am not sure if they still are the parent company, but they were in fact the parent company of alpine in pre 1998, possibly still currently the parent company of alpine. and guess what, most of the honda radios were manufactured by ALPS as well.

you can say for sure that pre 1998-2000 BMW radios were not manufactured by alpine. 2000 is where all my information is valid from.

 

 

sorry, i just noticed that i did not make too much sense with the affiliation part. what i meant was, the BMW radios were not affiliated with Alpine when they were created. the BMW units were created by ALPS in their OEM program. at the same time, honda units were produced by ALPS as well.

 

atf kuk is right. you can't really say a BMW deck is better because it pushes out more power. Many are ran off an external amp so the headunit itself does not put out any power. Even on BMWs where there are no external amps, the headunit itself will put out less than 15w per channel. If anyone is arguing the difference between the power of less than 15w, then you do not truely know a bit of audio when it comes to differences.

The reason why some people are experiencing sound difference between their stock deck and their aftermarket decks is because of the preset Equalizer. It's not the fact that the headunits are "aftermarket" that makes the difference.


Anyone that says a stock headunit can't "sound as good" as an aftermarket deck hasn't heard a properly setup system. I've sat in ATF kuk's car many times already. He has a Rockford Fosgate 8250ti in his car and switched over to the stock deck with basically no difference in sound. Now anyone who knows the Rockford fosgate deck will know what it's made for.

 

stock headunits do not have "crappy" signal. Most would say they do put out crappy signal because of the poor setup.

Stock headunits have very good balanced-line transmittor. They have low impedence differential outputs and the voltage swing isn't bad either. Now unless someone can tell me why having such things is bad, I will stick to the conclusion that people are basing X factors with Y factors.