500 WHP with a log? Myth or Fact
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I can't comment on the pfab kit but I will say that I have been very happy with my UR setup. I have done lapping events beat the snot out of it on the street and have had 0 kit related problems. The setup works as it should.
You can make good power on a quality log kit with the right turbo and tuner. I always chuckle when I see people spend big money on baller tubular kits to make power that's attainable on an off the shelf log setup. Just an observation.
You can make good power on a quality log kit with the right turbo and tuner. I always chuckle when I see people spend big money on baller tubular kits to make power that's attainable on an off the shelf log setup. Just an observation.
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Originally Posted by MrSmith,Oct 2 2009, 09:55 AM
I can't comment on the pfab kit but I will say that I have been very happy with my UR setup. I have done lapping events beat the snot out of it on the street and have had 0 kit related problems. The setup works as it should.
You can make good power on a quality log kit with the right turbo and tuner. It always chuckle when I see people spend big money on baller tubular kits to make power that's attainable on an off the shelf log setup. Just an observation.
You can make good power on a quality log kit with the right turbo and tuner. It always chuckle when I see people spend big money on baller tubular kits to make power that's attainable on an off the shelf log setup. Just an observation.
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Originally Posted by MrSmith,Oct 2 2009, 09:55 AM
I can't comment on the pfab kit but I will say that I have been very happy with my UR setup. I have done lapping events beat the snot out of it on the street and have had 0 kit related problems. The setup works as it should.
You can make good power on a quality log kit with the right turbo and tuner. I always chuckle when I see people spend big money on baller tubular kits to make power that's attainable on an off the shelf log setup. Just an observation.
You can make good power on a quality log kit with the right turbo and tuner. I always chuckle when I see people spend big money on baller tubular kits to make power that's attainable on an off the shelf log setup. Just an observation.
my tubular = 401whp @10psi
tubular > log.
Log is less efficient and it CAN make the power but its not as easy and the car drives better with the tubular.
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Yes thanks for clearing that up lol... you spend more money you make more power. Kinda like how you spend money on a bigger turbo... a ported head... etc. etc. etc.
Look I am in no way saying that a well made tubular setup is not superior. My point is that for most people here using stock motors a log manifold will get you to your 400-500 whp power goal cheaper and with less hassle.
BTW I made 440 on 16 psi 505 on 21 93 octane and now 538 on 100 octane 23 psi. There was nothing difficult about it. I am confident that my setup has 600 in it. Log manifold. Journal bearing turbo. Bottom mount $3600 dollar kit. Plus I can pop my hood tell some poor tubular eltm ball bearing guy on 12 psi oh its only 7 psi gay bottom mount log 260 wheel and maybe take their lunch money.
How exactly does a car drive better with a tubular? Please fill me in I am driving a slow inferior setup.
Look I am in no way saying that a well made tubular setup is not superior. My point is that for most people here using stock motors a log manifold will get you to your 400-500 whp power goal cheaper and with less hassle.
BTW I made 440 on 16 psi 505 on 21 93 octane and now 538 on 100 octane 23 psi. There was nothing difficult about it. I am confident that my setup has 600 in it. Log manifold. Journal bearing turbo. Bottom mount $3600 dollar kit. Plus I can pop my hood tell some poor tubular eltm ball bearing guy on 12 psi oh its only 7 psi gay bottom mount log 260 wheel and maybe take their lunch money.
How exactly does a car drive better with a tubular? Please fill me in I am driving a slow inferior setup.
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Originally Posted by MrSmith,Oct 2 2009, 02:16 PM
Yes thanks for clearing that up lol... you spend more money you make more power. Kinda like how you spend money on a bigger turbo... a ported head... etc. etc. etc.
Look I am in no way saying that a well made tubular setup is not superior. My point is that for most people here using stock motors a log manifold will get you to your 400-500 whp power goal cheaper and with less hassle.
BTW I made 440 on 16 psi 505 on 21 93 octane and now 538 on 100 octane 23 psi. There was nothing difficult about it. I am confident that my setup has 600 in it. Log manifold. Journal bearing turbo. Bottom mount $3600 dollar kit. Plus I can pop my hood tell some poor tubular eltm ball bearing guy on 12 psi oh its only 7 psi gay bottom mount log 260 wheel and maybe take their lunch money.
How exactly does a car drive better with a tubular? Please fill me in I am driving a slow inferior setup.
Look I am in no way saying that a well made tubular setup is not superior. My point is that for most people here using stock motors a log manifold will get you to your 400-500 whp power goal cheaper and with less hassle.
BTW I made 440 on 16 psi 505 on 21 93 octane and now 538 on 100 octane 23 psi. There was nothing difficult about it. I am confident that my setup has 600 in it. Log manifold. Journal bearing turbo. Bottom mount $3600 dollar kit. Plus I can pop my hood tell some poor tubular eltm ball bearing guy on 12 psi oh its only 7 psi gay bottom mount log 260 wheel and maybe take their lunch money.
How exactly does a car drive better with a tubular? Please fill me in I am driving a slow inferior setup.
However, your kit was $3,600 not including injectors, engine management, headgasket or a tune. So looking about $400 for injectors, $1,300 for aem, $100 for headgasket. That is $5,400 ok add $600 for a tune so you are now at $6,000. That assumes your kit is complete and does not require any welding or fabrication for parts to fit and you install all the parts yourself. The labor to pull a head and install gasket is not cheap. I faill to see how I am spending more money on the Mase kit for 400+ whp. He will also retune the map once I data log for no cost also. I will make close to what you are making whp with less boost and no headgasket. I guess to each his own...
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Originally Posted by MrSmith,Oct 2 2009, 02:16 PM
Yes thanks for clearing that up lol... you spend more money you make more power. Kinda like how you spend money on a bigger turbo... a ported head... etc. etc. etc.
Look I am in no way saying that a well made tubular setup is not superior. My point is that for most people here using stock motors a log manifold will get you to your 400-500 whp power goal cheaper and with less hassle.
BTW I made 440 on 16 psi 505 on 21 93 octane and now 538 on 100 octane 23 psi. There was nothing difficult about it. I am confident that my setup has 600 in it. Log manifold. Journal bearing turbo. Bottom mount $3600 dollar kit. Plus I can pop my hood tell some poor tubular eltm ball bearing guy on 12 psi oh its only 7 psi gay bottom mount log 260 wheel and maybe take their lunch money.
How exactly does a car drive better with a tubular? Please fill me in I am driving a slow inferior setup.
Look I am in no way saying that a well made tubular setup is not superior. My point is that for most people here using stock motors a log manifold will get you to your 400-500 whp power goal cheaper and with less hassle.
BTW I made 440 on 16 psi 505 on 21 93 octane and now 538 on 100 octane 23 psi. There was nothing difficult about it. I am confident that my setup has 600 in it. Log manifold. Journal bearing turbo. Bottom mount $3600 dollar kit. Plus I can pop my hood tell some poor tubular eltm ball bearing guy on 12 psi oh its only 7 psi gay bottom mount log 260 wheel and maybe take their lunch money.
How exactly does a car drive better with a tubular? Please fill me in I am driving a slow inferior setup.
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