Axial Flow Supercharger
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Even thought this is at least a full year from actual production. I am going to start a list of who would be intrested in a group buy.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...f=142&t=300684
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A full year away, at least???..... Yeah, that's probably right, damn! I am not going to sign up on any lists until I see it work, find out how well it works etc. I believe Richard Paul is on to something with this, but it's just to early in the game for me to sign up. Maybe when the RX8 is running, Richard will have me sold!
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I said 1 year as a conservative figure.
The supercharger has all ready been built and has been tested in a test bench.
This technology as already been road proven in the past.
Richard has installed one of his older designs on his 396 small block for his EL Camino.
check page 3 post #6 (Take note that this is a old/ primitive design and was large in comparison to the current design.)
The reason for the time frame of one year is Richards' plan was to develop the RX-8 kit first and them come over to the S2k.
Just may be he will put the RX-8 on the side and start working on the S2000.
Richard If you would like to send me the outer casing with the pulley installed I can begin to design develop the hardware/mounting system that would be necessary to install the AFSC in front of the engine.
That is unless you are planning on casting a new intake plenum/intake runners to reduce the throttle volume.
Richard
I personally would like the AFSC with a new intake plenum to reduce the intake volume but this may prove not to be cost effective with the very simple idea of just putting it in front.
IF PLACED IN FRONT OF THE ENGINE????
I wonder if the Comtech/Vortech Mounting brackets can be modified to support this design.
Also Could possibly use the Comtech/Vortech New Crank pulley to supply drive power the unit.
I could design an independent belt tensioner system for the AFSC. I have access to a design/fabrication shop with full 6axis C&C machinery. (Freebe )
The supercharger has all ready been built and has been tested in a test bench.
This technology as already been road proven in the past.
Richard has installed one of his older designs on his 396 small block for his EL Camino.
check page 3 post #6 (Take note that this is a old/ primitive design and was large in comparison to the current design.)
The reason for the time frame of one year is Richards' plan was to develop the RX-8 kit first and them come over to the S2k.
Just may be he will put the RX-8 on the side and start working on the S2000.
Richard If you would like to send me the outer casing with the pulley installed I can begin to design develop the hardware/mounting system that would be necessary to install the AFSC in front of the engine.
That is unless you are planning on casting a new intake plenum/intake runners to reduce the throttle volume.
Richard
I personally would like the AFSC with a new intake plenum to reduce the intake volume but this may prove not to be cost effective with the very simple idea of just putting it in front.
IF PLACED IN FRONT OF THE ENGINE????
I wonder if the Comtech/Vortech Mounting brackets can be modified to support this design.
Also Could possibly use the Comtech/Vortech New Crank pulley to supply drive power the unit.
I could design an independent belt tensioner system for the AFSC. I have access to a design/fabrication shop with full 6axis C&C machinery. (Freebe
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~subscribing~ I just read every word of this post...and I feel like I am in engineering school trying to get a job for Boeing ...Even though this may be over my head a tad..I will subscribe and try to learn something 
Keep up the great work richard.
...Even though this may be over my head a tad..I will subscribe and try to learn something Keep up the great work richard.
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Originally Posted by deppenma,Jun 24 2005, 06:40 AM
The efficiency if this design will not require an intercooler.
[QUOTE=deppenma,Jun 22 2005, 09:54 PM]Here
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In all cases the TB will need to be moved to in front of the inlet section.
Should this not be done the AFSC would be unrestricted and would continually produce pressure that would need to be vented to atmosphere during off boost driving. In addition there would be a constant drag on the engine.
Placing the TB before the AFSC inlet thins out the inlet air such that when off boost driving the AFSC is unable to compress the incoming air and reduces the amount of drag on the engine to almost 0hp.
Even if this supercharger had 100% efficiency there would still be a temperature rise due to compression.
So at lower boost levels no after cooler would be necessary but at higher boost levels a device either a intercooler or after cooler would begin to be needed.
Again the after cooler would only be needed should someone want to run high boost.
If my idea to run higher boost levels and place the AFSC in front of the engine; I would most likely modify the Vortech Air to water after cooler to accept piping work from the axial outlet of the AFSC. The after cooler would be placed where Vortech originally designed it to go. And again the TB is before the inlet side.
Should this not be done the AFSC would be unrestricted and would continually produce pressure that would need to be vented to atmosphere during off boost driving. In addition there would be a constant drag on the engine.
Placing the TB before the AFSC inlet thins out the inlet air such that when off boost driving the AFSC is unable to compress the incoming air and reduces the amount of drag on the engine to almost 0hp.
Even if this supercharger had 100% efficiency there would still be a temperature rise due to compression.
So at lower boost levels no after cooler would be necessary but at higher boost levels a device either a intercooler or after cooler would begin to be needed.
Again the after cooler would only be needed should someone want to run high boost.
If my idea to run higher boost levels and place the AFSC in front of the engine; I would most likely modify the Vortech Air to water after cooler to accept piping work from the axial outlet of the AFSC. The after cooler would be placed where Vortech originally designed it to go. And again the TB is before the inlet side.
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Wow, I guess I've been away from this forum for to long.
deppenma has discribed how the componants lay out so saved me that. The only way to do an aftercooler on this installation is with a liquid to air unit. Said cooler would go inside a new intake manifold casting. That way no added volume is added to the discharge plumbing of the SC.
As to mounting it I think I'll design my own brackets and pulleys. Not saying those other companys produce poor products, just that they are not fitted to my blower. Then of course how could I sell a modified bracket from a competitor.
Then there is the ego problem, as in "I can do it better".
That may not be true but since I'm the judge we shall assume it a fact.
Someone else doing development with my blower has it's pitfalls. I pretty much don't like my own work so how do I feel about everyone elses? But I'm not going to rule it out, more brains on a given problem works better.
We'll talk about that one. Very nice you have 6 axis. I could dream up some pretty hot stuff for that. What CAD system do you use? We have SolidWorks 2003. Gibbs and AutoCad. I personally only work in SolidWorks. Not a pro computer type. It's hard for us older types that didn't grow up with computers or elec games but with a sliderule.
Ha! most of you guys don't even know what that is, do ya? If you do then for sure you've never seen one.
As for tyhe Rx8 it has to go back to MazdaUSA, I working on that now. I've put in the best effort as I could be expected to. I've been on the dyno four times now, had other rotary type people come and look at it. I've even bought a ScanAlizer for the thing. That is a custom Rx8 interface for the OBDll built by my freind Hymee in Australia. Allows me to see what the dealer can see. I just can't modifiy anything with it. Come to think of it neither can the dealer. They can only flash over something if the factory sets it up by their world wide interface.
Almost forgot the high boost question. It is not hard to do, we just add a stage for more pressure. But there will be room in the standard model to speed it up a tad for some more then you need boost.
Gonna go eat now, see ya.
deppenma has discribed how the componants lay out so saved me that. The only way to do an aftercooler on this installation is with a liquid to air unit. Said cooler would go inside a new intake manifold casting. That way no added volume is added to the discharge plumbing of the SC.
As to mounting it I think I'll design my own brackets and pulleys. Not saying those other companys produce poor products, just that they are not fitted to my blower. Then of course how could I sell a modified bracket from a competitor.
Then there is the ego problem, as in "I can do it better".
That may not be true but since I'm the judge we shall assume it a fact.
Someone else doing development with my blower has it's pitfalls. I pretty much don't like my own work so how do I feel about everyone elses? But I'm not going to rule it out, more brains on a given problem works better.
We'll talk about that one. Very nice you have 6 axis. I could dream up some pretty hot stuff for that. What CAD system do you use? We have SolidWorks 2003. Gibbs and AutoCad. I personally only work in SolidWorks. Not a pro computer type. It's hard for us older types that didn't grow up with computers or elec games but with a sliderule.
Ha! most of you guys don't even know what that is, do ya? If you do then for sure you've never seen one.As for tyhe Rx8 it has to go back to MazdaUSA, I working on that now. I've put in the best effort as I could be expected to. I've been on the dyno four times now, had other rotary type people come and look at it. I've even bought a ScanAlizer for the thing. That is a custom Rx8 interface for the OBDll built by my freind Hymee in Australia. Allows me to see what the dealer can see. I just can't modifiy anything with it. Come to think of it neither can the dealer. They can only flash over something if the factory sets it up by their world wide interface.
Almost forgot the high boost question. It is not hard to do, we just add a stage for more pressure. But there will be room in the standard model to speed it up a tad for some more then you need boost.
Gonna go eat now, see ya.
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Personally like to use AutoCAD or Solid Works but not very strong in either program. I am just starting to learn Pro-E.
The C & C shop uses Pro-E for most of the complicated designs but has most of the conversion software necessary to convert most files to a Pro-E Format.
Richard If you are going to cast a new intake plenum might as well try to integrate these IC tubes. Just incase some one wants to use them later.
An INTERCOOLER IDEA if High boost is run
Laminova IC tubes in the plenum
http://www.alertmotorsport.com/intercoolers.htm
For all that not IC savy
http://www.opcon.se/subStart.asp?ContentID=13&CatID=103
Quote from one of the web pages about Laminova IC
"In application we have found that a Laminova
90mm (small) core will perform similar to a typical 10 to 13
row air to air 235 matrix cooler, a 180mm (medium) to a 16
to 19 row and 330mm (large) to a 25 to 30 row."
The C & C shop uses Pro-E for most of the complicated designs but has most of the conversion software necessary to convert most files to a Pro-E Format.
Richard If you are going to cast a new intake plenum might as well try to integrate these IC tubes. Just incase some one wants to use them later.
An INTERCOOLER IDEA if High boost is run
Laminova IC tubes in the plenum
http://www.alertmotorsport.com/intercoolers.htm
For all that not IC savy
http://www.opcon.se/subStart.asp?ContentID=13&CatID=103
Quote from one of the web pages about Laminova IC
"In application we have found that a Laminova
90mm (small) core will perform similar to a typical 10 to 13
row air to air 235 matrix cooler, a 180mm (medium) to a 16
to 19 row and 330mm (large) to a 25 to 30 row."
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Damn those RX8s - Richard could have build up a test unit on an S2000 by now but its should like he continues to have problems with his RX8 mule 
I may be looking at supercharging the car in 6-9 months' time and I was hoping the Axial supercharger would be tested and in production by then, not looking hopeful at the moment
Can't one of you US guys donate your S2000 to the cause?
I may be looking at supercharging the car in 6-9 months' time and I was hoping the Axial supercharger would be tested and in production by then, not looking hopeful at the moment
Can't one of you US guys donate your S2000 to the cause?