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Old Jul 17, 2013 | 05:37 AM
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Joey what plugs/model number are you running ?
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Old Jul 17, 2013 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by neeman77
I am running Denso IK27's (9 heat range) at 0.018" with Okada coil packs and get no blow out at 925 hp on E85. I run the BKR8EIX for pump gas ~580 hp.
Yah I've heard good things about those plugs. Do you think the 9 heat range is necessary for my setup and power level?
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Old Jul 17, 2013 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SlowSi
Joey what plugs/model number are you running ?

NGK R5672A. Heat range 9, also known as NGK7405 I love them. Available at Autozone, pepboys etc......If you are tuned on heat range 8 plugs, I would run those. the number for those plugs are 7173
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Old Jul 17, 2013 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBalls
Originally Posted by 1SlowSi' timestamp='1374068229' post='22670943
Joey what plugs/model number are you running ?

NGK R5672A. Heat range 9, also known as NGK7405 I love them. Available at Autozone, pepboys etc......If you are tuned on heat range 8 plugs, I would run those. the number for those plugs are 7173
Joey are all those numbers the same plug? lol. R5672A, NGK7405, and 7173? These are non resistor type plugs, how do they perform for you?

How do these compare to the Denso IK24?
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Old Jul 17, 2013 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SlowSi
Originally Posted by JoeyBalls' timestamp='1374076173' post='22671253
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Joey what plugs/model number are you running ?

NGK R5672A. Heat range 9, also known as NGK7405 I love them. Available at Autozone, pepboys etc......If you are tuned on heat range 8 plugs, I would run those. the number for those plugs are 7173
Joey are all those numbers the same plug? lol. R5672A, NGK7405, and 7173? These are non resistor type plugs, how do they perform for you?

How do these compare to the Denso IK24?
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Same plug, different heat range . I never used the Denso but have had great success with the above mentioned plugs. Even when INJECTING straight water and 26psi, OEM Coilpacks BAS and Q16
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Old Jul 18, 2013 | 06:48 PM
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I am going to try the NGK 5238 copper non resistor heat range 9 plugs. It's either going to work or its not. I almost feel like something else is the issue because even with the BAS cranked to 17 volts, it's still blowing spark.
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Old Jul 18, 2013 | 10:03 PM
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FYI. Tried copper non resistor plugs and was not able to data log consistently. The interference from the plug causes the ecu to abort data logging during WOT pulls. Not sure how it would interfere with ECU's fueling and timing. Didn't want to find out the hard way.
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RealStreet
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FYI. Tried copper non resistor plugs and was not able to data log consistently. The interference from the plug causes the ecu to abort data logging during WOT pulls. Not sure how it would interfere with ECU's fueling and timing. Didn't want to find out the hard way.


Correct. Fuel injection and non resistor plugs are a bad mix.

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Hmmmm, I have been running non-resistor plugs for a while. From my understanding, Most ECUs that require these plugs do it because of poor circuit board design. the only issue I ever had was not being able to data long while the car is on, it would freeze up, other than that though.........no other issues
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 05:51 AM
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What are the miles on the car? Engine has ~12k miles

Are the coil towers dry or is there oil on the coils? Yes they are dry

What boost level does it run clean at VS break up? Runs clean until it hit 26-27 psi then starts break up at peak tq and a couple more times after

You've measured Voltage at the coil? Yes. 13.8-17.5 volts from 0-50 on the BAS knob

The ground on the back of the head is tight? Yes

What is your timing value that it breaks up? In KPro- Peak tq (6400-6700) is 8.5 deg, and 11 deg from 7200 to redline 8700k.

What fuel? E85, always fresh and tested. AF in boost is between 11.3-11.5

What is the plug gap? .019, new NGK BKR8EIX iridiums

You're checking it with a feeler gauge or one of those stupid discs? Using a feeler gauge yes

What are you using for coil dwell settings? Untuch from Kpro settings.

Have you tried different coils? Yes I tried my ap1 and old rsx coils

What ECM and how clean is your map signal? Map signal is clean and everything checks out good.

Thanks for take the time to ask these question.
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RealStreet
Originally Posted by 1SlowSi' timestamp='1374241882' post='22675381
What are the miles on the car? Engine has ~12k miles

Are the coil towers dry or is there oil on the coils? Yes they are dry

What boost level does it run clean at VS break up? Runs clean until it hit 26-27 psi then starts break up at peak tq and a couple more times after

You've measured Voltage at the coil? Yes. 13.8-17.5 volts from 0-50 on the BAS knob

The ground on the back of the head is tight? Yes

What is your timing value that it breaks up? In KPro- Peak tq (6400-6700) is 8.5 deg, and 11 deg from 7200 to redline 8700k.

What fuel? E85, always fresh and tested. AF in boost is between 11.3-11.5

What is the plug gap? .019, new NGK BKR8EIX iridiums

You're checking it with a feeler gauge or one of those stupid discs? Using a feeler gauge yes

What are you using for coil dwell settings? Untuch from Kpro settings.

Have you tried different coils? Yes I tried my ap1 and old rsx coils

What ECM and how clean is your map signal? Map signal is clean and everything checks out good.

Thanks for take the time to ask these question.

Add timing. It's likely you don't have enough lead in it for the fuel/boost. Most cars I've done on that fuel/boost live just fine with 14 peak tq and 19 at redline. Now.... I'm not saying stuff 5 degrees in it all at once. I'm suggesting you may not have enough timing for it to run clean. For arguments sake, what timing is in it where it does run clean?

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Good call on the timing realstreet. I was thinking about asking him the same question. Mine is running similar timing as you described and I have no issues on stock coils with 16k miles on them at 800 whp and 34 psi on e85.
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