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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by slimjim8201,Jun 22 2006, 07:36 PM
To be honest with you, 260 sounds a bit dissapointing. Maybe they tooted their horn too much too early. I know torque will be dramatically improved thoughout the engine speed range, but a base comptech would pull harder at the top.
Are you kidding? I can't even find a base Comptech dyno chart, so if you can find one, post'm up so we can compare. All the charts on their site are with aftercooler. So, comparing both with IC/AC's, looking at BR's chart from VTEC engagement to redline, whp is between about 250 and 315. Comptech's is roughly between 190 and 280. For torque, the BR kit starts at 200 ft-lb with a slight gain up to 217 and ends at 200 ft-lb at redline. The Comptech kit is between 165 and 185 ft-lb. So, assuming you stay in VTEC range through the gears, the BR kit is going to demolish the Comptech kit. It's night and day and you know that. Even if they offer a non-intercooled kit at a lower boost level (4-5psi vs 6-7???), it will most likely have more area under the curve, even if the Comptech ends up making more hp a thousand RPM before redline.

Oh yeah, still waiting on that sales order. What do you call it when a salesman has the order in the bag, but fails to provide information on how to pay?
Not quite sure why you're having so much difficulty. When I ordered mine, I used their website like I was ordering anything else from them and got a .pdf copy of the receipt the day after. My CC was just charged for the deposit.
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotKD,Jun 23 2006, 12:22 AM
...the BR kit is going to demolish the Comptech kit. It's night and day and you know that....
Your right... I'm just a greedy bastard
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 05:45 AM
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This is what you guys are making me do with all this hp and outstanding low end torque...

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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by slimjim8201,Jun 22 2006, 05:36 PM
Oh yeah, still waiting on that sales order.
Hey Jim, the info you're looking for should have been on the invoice that was sent you you. There must be some problem on our end if you still haven't gotten it. We sent it to you on the 3rd of May but it must not be going through. If you'd like, I can give you a call and we can figure it out. Again, sorry for the inconvenience.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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Spy Photo --



Quoting Rob at BRP "I spent some time getting the S2K into non IC form and cleaned up the prototype a bit. While I was there I snapped this picture. Now, please be aware that this is the prototype, and the final version will be much cleaner looking. Specifically, the three breather filters will be gone in favor of a tree that will mount on the front crossover along with a bigger filter."


getting closer

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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 12:41 PM
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^^^^ That is an odd setup. I've never seen a roots-blower setup like that before. Usually the roots-blower replaces the intake manifold. That's a pretty interesting way of doing that. Now it all makes sense on how the IC is possible with a roots-blower. Nice shot by the way... keep the info coming.

Wait a sec... from the setup it seems that this blower shouldn't really be a problem in the MY06, considering it keeps the stock intake manifold setup. The only thing that I would see being an issue is possibly there's different mounting brackets on the MY06 as compared to the MY04/05?!?!?!?
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 05:12 PM
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Here are a few pics of their Hotside Miata setup. They have sold over 800 hotside style SC kits for the Miata without heatsoak problems (and I believe the cooling system in the S is much better than the Miata's). We're talking about Miata's that have been tracked and autocrossed with no issues. They developed a coldside (pics below), but only sold about 25 of these. The hotside kits actually have more potential because of the ability to use an intercooler, whether it be A/W or A/A.

Hotside:







Coldside:





This is just a hunch, but they're probably going to use a A/W intercooler like this (don't know for sure yet though):




As far as using this for an '06, it's still not going to work without adapting the throttle by wire servo to the blowers throttle body (which BR custom makes). If you look closely, the throttle cable is going up over the motor to the back of the blower. The throttle body mounted to the intake manifold is a dummy with no butterfly. This is going to take them getting an '06 to work on. Right now they've only got an AP1 and an '04-05 AP2 as prototype cars.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 8kGoodENuff,Jul 6 2006, 04:41 PM
^^^^ That is an odd setup. I've never seen a roots-blower setup like that before. Usually the roots-blower replaces the intake manifold. That's a pretty interesting way of doing that. Now it all makes sense on how the IC is possible with a roots-blower. Nice shot by the way... keep the info coming.

Wait a sec... from the setup it seems that this blower shouldn't really be a problem in the MY06, considering it keeps the stock intake manifold setup. The only thing that I would see being an issue is possibly there's different mounting brackets on the MY06 as compared to the MY04/05?!?!?!?
That's why it's called a hotside.


The problem with the '06 is primarily the throttle by wire, not the mounting (which is mostly if note entirely carryover). Adaptaing to TBW will take some time.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotKD,Jul 6 2006, 05:12 PM
Here are a few pics of their Hotside Miata setup.
PilotKD -- Those are some detailed pictures of the Miata hotside --- thanks


the intake tube looks so bad ass --- I love the welds




I got the impression from Rob @ BPR that the intake filter and box will be at the S2000 batteries current location.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 08:41 PM
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Slackfaster,

That intake tube (with the nice welds) was actually a one-off made by a friend of one of their customers, so that is not BRP's work (not to say they couldn't do that kind of work). The rest of that kit is pretty much original. Their kits come with a flexible intake hose that routes the filter up front. Those were the most detailed pics I could find though. I'm not sure what the S kit has. Whether it's a 90 degree steel elbo off the blower or flexible tubing, I don't know. I'm thinking some sort of box can be made in that area that isolates the filter more from the exhaust manifold, since the OE heat shield (the vertical black shield that protects the battery), will need to be removed to install the blower. Hopefully we get more detailed pics of the S kit soon. I'm sure they don't want to release closeups of a prototype kit because it's going to look rough in some areas.
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