Dynoed my CTSC'ed 01 S2000
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Originally Posted by Ultimate Racing,Apr 28 2008, 06:24 AM
As posted, our testing of our FMIC kit was against an already aftercooled, higher boost pulley'd S2000. Originally at 9psi, we showed a 0.5psi loss, but with significant temperature gains with our FMIC upgrade. Boost was never measured with supercharger alone with no aftercooler/intercooler. I imagine the upgrade from non-cooled to aftercooled would have yielded 1-2psi pressure drop. So it isn't uncommon to lose another psi or so when upgrading the aftercooler to a front mount intercooler.
I think what we have here is a case of in-efficiency. There is no single perfect size intercooler for all boost ranges. At 5psi, this intercooler setup is more than likely too large and causes an efficiency issue. Again, our tests were performed at a higher boost pressure...more within the efficiency range so there is far less boost pressure loss. I believe most of our FMIC customers so far have been very pleased with their results.
A FMIC setup can be very beneficial to a supercharger setup, despite what some users have posted. It's all about cooler intake air temps...and I'm not talking a few degrees here either! I'm curious to see how many users with turbocharger setups would want to switch out their front mount for one of these supercharger aftercoolers
Darryl
I think what we have here is a case of in-efficiency. There is no single perfect size intercooler for all boost ranges. At 5psi, this intercooler setup is more than likely too large and causes an efficiency issue. Again, our tests were performed at a higher boost pressure...more within the efficiency range so there is far less boost pressure loss. I believe most of our FMIC customers so far have been very pleased with their results.
A FMIC setup can be very beneficial to a supercharger setup, despite what some users have posted. It's all about cooler intake air temps...and I'm not talking a few degrees here either! I'm curious to see how many users with turbocharger setups would want to switch out their front mount for one of these supercharger aftercoolers
Darryl
and if you dont mind me asking, is UR still standing behind their product and issuing a full money back guarantee?
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Originally Posted by gusrock77,Apr 28 2008, 09:47 PM
so with a set up like mine at 12-13psi, i wouldnt be having this type of problem?
and if you dont mind me asking, is UR still standing behind their product and issuing a full money back guarantee?
and if you dont mind me asking, is UR still standing behind their product and issuing a full money back guarantee?
I think you will need to email him. I think he only came on here to clear up why i lost boost.
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Originally Posted by USDM EG,Apr 29 2008, 07:15 AM
I would assume you would still loose a little bit of boost, not as much as i did.
I think you will need to email him. I think he only came on here to clear up why i lost boost.
sales@ultimate-racing.com
I think you will need to email him. I think he only came on here to clear up why i lost boost.
sales@ultimate-racing.com
im also liking theyre 3" exhaust and 3" test pipe. i might pick those up too.
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just an FYI...
i did a custom FMIC this week and i lost just about 3psi as well.
however i am estimating that pressure loss is closer to actualyl 2 psi due to worm clips and a turboxs bov (SUCKS!!!!!)
i have 3" tbolts coming in the mail and i'm going to switch to my trusty HKS BOV as soon as i can. i will also get a custom pipe with an HKS flange on it (instead of running more silicone adapters to make it all fit..) to eliminate as many boost leaks as possible. then i am planning on running a 7psi pulley in high hopes of making 5psi at redline.
for those of you that hate on the FMIC, whatever. i dropped 50 degrees on my IAT's without even tweaking anything yet. if i can compensate with a bigger pulley i will be extremely satisfied with my setup, considering altogether it cost me about 1/4 tthe amount of money for a brand new aftercooler!
i did a custom FMIC this week and i lost just about 3psi as well.
however i am estimating that pressure loss is closer to actualyl 2 psi due to worm clips and a turboxs bov (SUCKS!!!!!)
i have 3" tbolts coming in the mail and i'm going to switch to my trusty HKS BOV as soon as i can. i will also get a custom pipe with an HKS flange on it (instead of running more silicone adapters to make it all fit..) to eliminate as many boost leaks as possible. then i am planning on running a 7psi pulley in high hopes of making 5psi at redline.
for those of you that hate on the FMIC, whatever. i dropped 50 degrees on my IAT's without even tweaking anything yet. if i can compensate with a bigger pulley i will be extremely satisfied with my setup, considering altogether it cost me about 1/4 tthe amount of money for a brand new aftercooler!
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50 degrees lower than NO cooling, sorry.
i was seeing temps in the range of 90-108 deg F under moderate driving.
comparing to the graph at UR my numbers are lower than the aftercooler but higher than their FMIC. i dont necessarily trust their numbers in either case....
i was seeing temps in the range of 90-108 deg F under moderate driving.
comparing to the graph at UR my numbers are lower than the aftercooler but higher than their FMIC. i dont necessarily trust their numbers in either case....
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Originally Posted by TelosHedge,Apr 30 2008, 12:01 AM
50 degrees lower than NO cooling, sorry.
i was seeing temps in the range of 90-108 deg F under moderate driving.
comparing to the graph at UR my numbers are lower than the aftercooler but higher than their FMIC. i dont necessarily trust their numbers in either case....
i was seeing temps in the range of 90-108 deg F under moderate driving.
comparing to the graph at UR my numbers are lower than the aftercooler but higher than their FMIC. i dont necessarily trust their numbers in either case....
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So...
5.5 psi pulley = 2psi with front mount
7psi pulley = 3 psi with front mount
9psi pulley = 8 psi with front mount
...wtf
haha From this thread it seems there is no way to run stock boost with a front mount.
5.5 psi pulley = 2psi with front mount
7psi pulley = 3 psi with front mount
9psi pulley = 8 psi with front mount
...wtf
haha From this thread it seems there is no way to run stock boost with a front mount.
