Emissions....
Originally Posted by chef-j,Nov 29 2010, 09:05 PM
When I had vortech, I asked couple place in my local inspection place. They looked at my vortech and told me its turbo. I told them its vortech with carb sticker and they told me they have to fail me just because I didnt have stock air box. I drove out to ghetto place. They did little things, gave me new sticker. Honestly, I will worry about CARB if I live in cali.
Haltech isn't option either. I think you can keep obd with only kpro.
Inspection stuff, you should talk with your local guys at MEET. i know there are ton of FI guys in GA...
Haltech isn't option either. I think you can keep obd with only kpro.
Inspection stuff, you should talk with your local guys at MEET. i know there are ton of FI guys in GA...

To the OP, if its really a problem, I would just register the car in nearby Mississippi or Florida and get "inspected" there. They dont do any tests, just wipe old sticker off & put new one on. Its great.
Here is the law in Georgia. In a quick scan I pulled the list below the link to the complete document whereas it seemed relevant. Looks like a fuel cap, ecu, and visual inspection.
http://www.cleanairforce.com/stations/rules.php
391-3-20-.04 Emission Inspection Procedures. Amended.
(1) Prior to performing an emission inspection, the inspector shall determine whether the
vehicle has leaking fluids, tires with cords exposed, is overheating, or is otherwise
unsafe to test. The inspector shall not perform an emission inspection on any vehicle
which is unsafe to test.
(2) Inspectors shall perform a complete emission inspection on any covered vehicle
presented for an inspection, in accordance with the requirements of the Act, this Chapter
and the procedures established in the I/M Inspection Procedures Manual including the
following:
(a) For newer vehicles.
1. A tampering inspection. EPD may modify or waive this portion of the emission
inspection subject to the availability of test system software.
2. An OBD system check. On occasion, when activated by EPD, the test system
will prompt the inspector at the conclusion of the OBD system check to perform
the 2-speed idle test to collect exhaust emission data. The exhaust emission
date will not be used to determine Pass/Fail results of the vehicle.
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3. A fuel cap test.
(b) For older vehicles.
1. A tampering inspection.
2. An exhaust emission test. The inspector shall perform an ASM test on all older
vehicles unless otherwise provided in this Rule. The inspector shall perform a 2-
speed idle test on all full-time all-wheel drive vehicles and all full-time four-wheeldrive
vehicles. The inspector may perform a 2-speed idle test on vehicles
equipped with traction control systems that cannot be disengaged or deactivated
as identified in the EPD approved “Traction Control Chart”. Inspectors shall not
perform 2-speed idle tests on vehicles that have modified suspensions or are
equipped with after-market tires or wheels that prevent the inspector from
performing the ASM test.
3. A fuel cap test.
© For grandfathered vehicles.
1. A tampering inspection. The inspector shall perform a tampering inspection only
for those vehicles given grandfathered status by EPD that were originally
equipped with a catalytic converter by the vehicle manufacturer.
2. An exhaust emission test. The inspector shall perform a 2-speed idle test on all
vehicles that have been given grandfathered status by EPD.
3. A fuel cap test.
(3) The station owner and inspector shall take all reasonable precautions to avoid damage
to vehicles during the emission inspection.
(4) EPD may require alternate procedures for certain types or classes of vehicles when it
determines that such alternate procedures are necessary to safely and effectively
inspect such vehicles.
(5) Emission inspections may be performed on any vehicle when done “at motorist’s
request”, for reasons such as performing a reciprocal inspection for a motorist to meet
the emission inspection requirements in their state of residence. The inspection
procedure to be performed by certified inspectors shall be as defined in the I/M
Inspection Procedures Manual.
Authority: O.C.G.A. Section 12-9-40, et seq., as amended. History: Original Rule entitled “Emission Inspection Procedures” adopted.
Filed November 1, 1993, effective November 21, 1993. Amended: Filed May 24, 1994, effective June 13, 1994. Amended: Filed
August 31, 1994, effective September 20, 1994. Repealed: New Rule of same title adopted. Filed August 28, 1995, effective
September 17, 1995. Amended: Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.33-.04 adopted. Filed June 4, 1996, effective May 29, 1996, the date
of adoption, to remain in effect for 120 days or until the effective date of a permanent Rule covering the same subject matter is
adopted, as specified by the Agency. Amended: Permanent Rule adopted. Filed August 26, 1996, effective September 15, 1996.
Amended: Filed June 3, 1997, effective June 23, 1997. Amended: Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.36-.04 adopted. Filed October 17,
1997, effective October 15, 1997, the date of adoption, to remain in effect for 120 days or until the effective date of a permanent Rule
covering the same subject matter is adopted, as specified by the Agency. Amended: Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.38-.04 adopted.
Filed December 5, 1997, effective December 3, 1997, the date of adoption, to remain in effect for 120 days or until the effective date of
a permanent Rule covering the same subject matter is adopted, as specified by the Agency. Amended: Permanent Rule adopted.
Page 8 January 10, 2007
Filed March 27, 1998, effective April 16, 1998. Amended: Filed August 27, 1998, effective September 16, 1998. Amended: Filed
September 17, 1999, effective October 7, 1999. Amended: Filed December 8, 2000, effective December 28, 2000. Amended: Filed
June 28, 2001, effective July 18, 2001. Amended: Filed December 6, 2001, effective December 26, 2001. Amended: Filed
December 10, 2002, effective December 30, 2002. Amended: Filed December 7, 2004, effective January 9, 2005.
391-3-20-.05 Emission Standards. Amended.
(1) An inspector shall not perform a tampering inspection, an exhaust emission test, a fuel
cap test, or an OBD system check on a vehicle which:
(a) has a missing exhaust system, or
(b) is unsafe to test.
(2) The inspector shall not issue a Certificate of Emission Inspection indicating an overall
passing result for the emission inspection unless the inspector has inspected the vehicle
in accordance with the requirements of the Act, this Chapter and the I/M Inspection
Procedures Manual and the vehicle has passed the tampering inspection, the exhaust
emission test, the fuel cap test, and the OBD system check where applicable.
(a) The vehicle shall pass the tampering inspection if:
1. the catalytic converter(s) has not been removed or disconnected;
2. no catalytic converter was installed by the original equipment manufacturer as
determined from the emission control label or an EPD approved emission control
reference manual;
3. in the case of a vehicle which has been converted from a single exhaust system
to a dual exhaust system and a catalytic converter(s) was part of the original
single exhaust system configuration, a catalytic converter has been installed in
each pipe of the dual exhaust system;
4. in the case of a hot rod for which either the original vehicle or the replacement
engine was equipped with a catalytic converter(s), a catalytic converter(s) has
been installed; or
5. a catalytic converter(s) installed by the original equipment manufacturer has
been removed and replaced with another catalytic converter(s).
(b) The vehicle shall pass the exhaust emission test if:
1. in the case of a vehicle subject to a 2-speed idle test any simultaneous pair of
values for hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide, in each mode, do not exceed the
exhaust levels established in the I/M Test Manual, and the combined value for
carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide is equal to or more than the minimum
combined value established in the I/M Test Manual.
2. in the case of a vehicle subject to an ASM exhaust emissions test any
simultaneous set of values for hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxide, and carbon
monoxide do not exceed those established in the I/M Test Manual, and the
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combined value for carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide is equal to or more than
the minimum combined value established in the I/M Test Manual.
(i) Phase-in standards - Vehicles which are tested or retested between July
1, 1997, and the effective date of the final standards, shall not exceed the
start-up exhaust emissions standards established in the I/M Test Manual.
(ii) Final Standards - Subject to confirmation of the stringency of the final
cutpoints by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and establishment
of an effective date by EPD, vehicles which are tested or retested shall
not exceed the final exhaust emissions standards established in the I/M
Test Manual; or
3. in the case of a gray market vehicle, kit car, or hot rod that has been given
grandfathered status by EPD under this Chapter, any simultaneous pair of values
for hydrocarbon and carbon monoxide, in each mode of the 2-speed idle test, do
not exceed the exhaust levels established in the I/M Test Manual for 1975 model
year vehicles and the combined value for carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide is
equal to or more than the minimum combined value established in the I/M Test
Manual.
© The vehicle shall pass the fuel cap test if:
1. the vehicle’s primary fuel cap and, when equipped, one secondary fuel cap,
holds pressure in accordance with the standard established by the I/M Test
Manual; and
2. where a vehicle has two or more fuel caps, each fuel cap is present.
(d) The vehicles shall pass the OBD system check if:
1. the test system is able to communicate with the vehicle’s OBD system;
2. the MIL illuminates with the ignition key in the “on” position and the engine not
running;
3. the OBD system does not command the MIL to illuminate with the ignition key in
the on position with the engine running;
4. all nonexempt OBD system monitors, as specified in the I/M Test Manual, are set
to “ready”; and
5. the OBD system does not contain any fault codes which command the MIL to
illuminate, as specified in the I/M Test Manual, indicating problems with the
emissions control parameters monitored by the OBD system.
Authority: O.C.G.A. Section 12-9-40, et seq., as amended. History: Original Rule entitled “Emission Standards” adopted. Filed
November 1, 1993, effective November 21, 1993. Amended: Filed August 31, 1994, effective September 20, 1994. Repealed: New
Rule of same title adopted. Filed August 28, 1995, effective September 17, 1995. Amended: Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.33-.05
adopted. Filed June 4, 1996, effective May 29, 1996, the date of adoption, to remain in effect for 120 days or until the effective date of
a permanent Rule covering the same subject matter is adopted, as specified by the Agency. Amended: Permanent Rule adopted.
Filed August 26, 1996, effective September 15, 1996. Amended: Filed June 3, 1997, effective June 23, 1997. Amended:
Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.38-.05 adopted. Filed December 5, 1997; effective December 3, 1997, the date of adoption, to remain in
Page 10 January 10, 2007
effect for 120 days or until the effective date of a permanent Rule covering the same subject matter is adopted, as specified by the
Agency. Amended: Permanent Rule adopted. Filed March 27, 1998, effective April 16, 1998. Amended: Filed: June 18, 1999,
effective July 8, 1999. Amended: Filed September 17, 1999, effective October 7, 1999. Amended: Filed December 8, 2000,
effective December 28, 2000. Amended: Filed June 28, 2001, effective July 18, 2001. Amended: Filed December 6, 2001, effective
December 26, 2001. Amended: Filed December 7, 2004, effective January 9, 2005.
http://www.cleanairforce.com/stations/rules.php
391-3-20-.04 Emission Inspection Procedures. Amended.
(1) Prior to performing an emission inspection, the inspector shall determine whether the
vehicle has leaking fluids, tires with cords exposed, is overheating, or is otherwise
unsafe to test. The inspector shall not perform an emission inspection on any vehicle
which is unsafe to test.
(2) Inspectors shall perform a complete emission inspection on any covered vehicle
presented for an inspection, in accordance with the requirements of the Act, this Chapter
and the procedures established in the I/M Inspection Procedures Manual including the
following:
(a) For newer vehicles.
1. A tampering inspection. EPD may modify or waive this portion of the emission
inspection subject to the availability of test system software.
2. An OBD system check. On occasion, when activated by EPD, the test system
will prompt the inspector at the conclusion of the OBD system check to perform
the 2-speed idle test to collect exhaust emission data. The exhaust emission
date will not be used to determine Pass/Fail results of the vehicle.
Page 7 January 10, 2007
3. A fuel cap test.
(b) For older vehicles.
1. A tampering inspection.
2. An exhaust emission test. The inspector shall perform an ASM test on all older
vehicles unless otherwise provided in this Rule. The inspector shall perform a 2-
speed idle test on all full-time all-wheel drive vehicles and all full-time four-wheeldrive
vehicles. The inspector may perform a 2-speed idle test on vehicles
equipped with traction control systems that cannot be disengaged or deactivated
as identified in the EPD approved “Traction Control Chart”. Inspectors shall not
perform 2-speed idle tests on vehicles that have modified suspensions or are
equipped with after-market tires or wheels that prevent the inspector from
performing the ASM test.
3. A fuel cap test.
© For grandfathered vehicles.
1. A tampering inspection. The inspector shall perform a tampering inspection only
for those vehicles given grandfathered status by EPD that were originally
equipped with a catalytic converter by the vehicle manufacturer.
2. An exhaust emission test. The inspector shall perform a 2-speed idle test on all
vehicles that have been given grandfathered status by EPD.
3. A fuel cap test.
(3) The station owner and inspector shall take all reasonable precautions to avoid damage
to vehicles during the emission inspection.
(4) EPD may require alternate procedures for certain types or classes of vehicles when it
determines that such alternate procedures are necessary to safely and effectively
inspect such vehicles.
(5) Emission inspections may be performed on any vehicle when done “at motorist’s
request”, for reasons such as performing a reciprocal inspection for a motorist to meet
the emission inspection requirements in their state of residence. The inspection
procedure to be performed by certified inspectors shall be as defined in the I/M
Inspection Procedures Manual.
Authority: O.C.G.A. Section 12-9-40, et seq., as amended. History: Original Rule entitled “Emission Inspection Procedures” adopted.
Filed November 1, 1993, effective November 21, 1993. Amended: Filed May 24, 1994, effective June 13, 1994. Amended: Filed
August 31, 1994, effective September 20, 1994. Repealed: New Rule of same title adopted. Filed August 28, 1995, effective
September 17, 1995. Amended: Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.33-.04 adopted. Filed June 4, 1996, effective May 29, 1996, the date
of adoption, to remain in effect for 120 days or until the effective date of a permanent Rule covering the same subject matter is
adopted, as specified by the Agency. Amended: Permanent Rule adopted. Filed August 26, 1996, effective September 15, 1996.
Amended: Filed June 3, 1997, effective June 23, 1997. Amended: Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.36-.04 adopted. Filed October 17,
1997, effective October 15, 1997, the date of adoption, to remain in effect for 120 days or until the effective date of a permanent Rule
covering the same subject matter is adopted, as specified by the Agency. Amended: Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.38-.04 adopted.
Filed December 5, 1997, effective December 3, 1997, the date of adoption, to remain in effect for 120 days or until the effective date of
a permanent Rule covering the same subject matter is adopted, as specified by the Agency. Amended: Permanent Rule adopted.
Page 8 January 10, 2007
Filed March 27, 1998, effective April 16, 1998. Amended: Filed August 27, 1998, effective September 16, 1998. Amended: Filed
September 17, 1999, effective October 7, 1999. Amended: Filed December 8, 2000, effective December 28, 2000. Amended: Filed
June 28, 2001, effective July 18, 2001. Amended: Filed December 6, 2001, effective December 26, 2001. Amended: Filed
December 10, 2002, effective December 30, 2002. Amended: Filed December 7, 2004, effective January 9, 2005.
391-3-20-.05 Emission Standards. Amended.
(1) An inspector shall not perform a tampering inspection, an exhaust emission test, a fuel
cap test, or an OBD system check on a vehicle which:
(a) has a missing exhaust system, or
(b) is unsafe to test.
(2) The inspector shall not issue a Certificate of Emission Inspection indicating an overall
passing result for the emission inspection unless the inspector has inspected the vehicle
in accordance with the requirements of the Act, this Chapter and the I/M Inspection
Procedures Manual and the vehicle has passed the tampering inspection, the exhaust
emission test, the fuel cap test, and the OBD system check where applicable.
(a) The vehicle shall pass the tampering inspection if:
1. the catalytic converter(s) has not been removed or disconnected;
2. no catalytic converter was installed by the original equipment manufacturer as
determined from the emission control label or an EPD approved emission control
reference manual;
3. in the case of a vehicle which has been converted from a single exhaust system
to a dual exhaust system and a catalytic converter(s) was part of the original
single exhaust system configuration, a catalytic converter has been installed in
each pipe of the dual exhaust system;
4. in the case of a hot rod for which either the original vehicle or the replacement
engine was equipped with a catalytic converter(s), a catalytic converter(s) has
been installed; or
5. a catalytic converter(s) installed by the original equipment manufacturer has
been removed and replaced with another catalytic converter(s).
(b) The vehicle shall pass the exhaust emission test if:
1. in the case of a vehicle subject to a 2-speed idle test any simultaneous pair of
values for hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide, in each mode, do not exceed the
exhaust levels established in the I/M Test Manual, and the combined value for
carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide is equal to or more than the minimum
combined value established in the I/M Test Manual.
2. in the case of a vehicle subject to an ASM exhaust emissions test any
simultaneous set of values for hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxide, and carbon
monoxide do not exceed those established in the I/M Test Manual, and the
Page 9 January 10, 2007
combined value for carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide is equal to or more than
the minimum combined value established in the I/M Test Manual.
(i) Phase-in standards - Vehicles which are tested or retested between July
1, 1997, and the effective date of the final standards, shall not exceed the
start-up exhaust emissions standards established in the I/M Test Manual.
(ii) Final Standards - Subject to confirmation of the stringency of the final
cutpoints by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and establishment
of an effective date by EPD, vehicles which are tested or retested shall
not exceed the final exhaust emissions standards established in the I/M
Test Manual; or
3. in the case of a gray market vehicle, kit car, or hot rod that has been given
grandfathered status by EPD under this Chapter, any simultaneous pair of values
for hydrocarbon and carbon monoxide, in each mode of the 2-speed idle test, do
not exceed the exhaust levels established in the I/M Test Manual for 1975 model
year vehicles and the combined value for carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide is
equal to or more than the minimum combined value established in the I/M Test
Manual.
© The vehicle shall pass the fuel cap test if:
1. the vehicle’s primary fuel cap and, when equipped, one secondary fuel cap,
holds pressure in accordance with the standard established by the I/M Test
Manual; and
2. where a vehicle has two or more fuel caps, each fuel cap is present.
(d) The vehicles shall pass the OBD system check if:
1. the test system is able to communicate with the vehicle’s OBD system;
2. the MIL illuminates with the ignition key in the “on” position and the engine not
running;
3. the OBD system does not command the MIL to illuminate with the ignition key in
the on position with the engine running;
4. all nonexempt OBD system monitors, as specified in the I/M Test Manual, are set
to “ready”; and
5. the OBD system does not contain any fault codes which command the MIL to
illuminate, as specified in the I/M Test Manual, indicating problems with the
emissions control parameters monitored by the OBD system.
Authority: O.C.G.A. Section 12-9-40, et seq., as amended. History: Original Rule entitled “Emission Standards” adopted. Filed
November 1, 1993, effective November 21, 1993. Amended: Filed August 31, 1994, effective September 20, 1994. Repealed: New
Rule of same title adopted. Filed August 28, 1995, effective September 17, 1995. Amended: Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.33-.05
adopted. Filed June 4, 1996, effective May 29, 1996, the date of adoption, to remain in effect for 120 days or until the effective date of
a permanent Rule covering the same subject matter is adopted, as specified by the Agency. Amended: Permanent Rule adopted.
Filed August 26, 1996, effective September 15, 1996. Amended: Filed June 3, 1997, effective June 23, 1997. Amended:
Emergency Rule 391-3-20-0.38-.05 adopted. Filed December 5, 1997; effective December 3, 1997, the date of adoption, to remain in
Page 10 January 10, 2007
effect for 120 days or until the effective date of a permanent Rule covering the same subject matter is adopted, as specified by the
Agency. Amended: Permanent Rule adopted. Filed March 27, 1998, effective April 16, 1998. Amended: Filed: June 18, 1999,
effective July 8, 1999. Amended: Filed September 17, 1999, effective October 7, 1999. Amended: Filed December 8, 2000,
effective December 28, 2000. Amended: Filed June 28, 2001, effective July 18, 2001. Amended: Filed December 6, 2001, effective
December 26, 2001. Amended: Filed December 7, 2004, effective January 9, 2005.
Originally Posted by Deception,Nov 30 2010, 06:51 AM
Evans is coming out w/ a special harness to run the Haltech in tandem with stock ECU to retain OBD2.
To the OP, if its really a problem, I would just register the car in nearby Mississippi or Florida and get "inspected" there. They dont do any tests, just wipe old sticker off & put new one on. Its great.
To the OP, if its really a problem, I would just register the car in nearby Mississippi or Florida and get "inspected" there. They dont do any tests, just wipe old sticker off & put new one on. Its great.
I have never seen them go under the hood on my car before, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention...
I like the 100 dollar route. Sounds like something I need some local club input for....
thanks for all the good info! Surprised there isnt a sticky out here somewhere for emissions...
I like the 100 dollar route. Sounds like something I need some local club input for....
thanks for all the good info! Surprised there isnt a sticky out here somewhere for emissions...
In my experience they don't give a crap in Atlanta as long as it passes OBD tests. With my older cars, they'd do the exhaust emissions sniffer test, which required them to pop the hood to put in the test equipment to track engine rpm. Thus they were more likely to see mods. With the S2000 they just plug in the OBD thing under the dash and run the test. I'm not sure they even pop the hood.
I forgot to put the CARB sticker on after installing my Greddy kit. Dropped the car off for emissions at a local oil change / brake place that I use and picked it up later, passed. They never asked any questions. I'm not even sure they noticed it had a turbo.
PM me if you want to know where I went. (OTP North.)
I forgot to put the CARB sticker on after installing my Greddy kit. Dropped the car off for emissions at a local oil change / brake place that I use and picked it up later, passed. They never asked any questions. I'm not even sure they noticed it had a turbo.
PM me if you want to know where I went. (OTP North.)
NJ is a California emissions state, as well as MA, VT, and i can't remember the other two. They are the most stringent of the states, so its been tough with an EMS for the past 4 years. I did, however, put the car back to stock this time around and was able to get a sticker. I now don't need to worry for another 2 years.
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