forced induction is the devil
Originally Posted by passmans2kny,Aug 25 2010, 11:40 PM
wait so is this a stock block that blew or a built motor? if its stock i would go for the mahle pistons with the stock sleeves, I'll be doing that in the winter
Ill take this as a sign & sell the turbo kit.. I will go S/C in the near future once things are straightened out.
Remove turbo and put back on later when u have more money. That's what I will do.
Now you know you shouldnt trust that 300 bucks product that will save your 3000 motor.
Sorry to hear that man.
Now you know you shouldnt trust that 300 bucks product that will save your 3000 motor.
Sorry to hear that man.
sad to say this, but a lot of pitfalls and misfortune have come about on this site because quite a few influential members made some power here or there on shaky ground and called it "perfectly safe! omg! make 900 on your motor with just a IP 3mm. yeah, IP 3mm is where its at! and if not, just slap 500 all day on a stocker. the stock motor can take ass-loads! hell yeah, boost away!".......
so people have believed that nonsense and also followed in the footsteps and continued to spew the ignorance as they go.
but, inevitability shows its face around these short corners frequently now. the motors arnt these indestructible behemoths that everyone claimed them to be. so you made 600 on a wed in may on a dyno for 2 hours. big damn deal! where has the emphasis on reliability gone gentlemen? its gone to hell because people have talked up and talked up for so long with no real testing and longevity to back it up.
so, power hungry individuals do variations of what they have seen on here. and they trust these guys know what they are talking about. but how can you call something "one way or another" when you've maybe had it running that way without interruptions for a few months before you call it the holy grail?
not picking favorites, but why do you think comptech users are the least affected by all sorts of crap? because it has been tested OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER in repetition to weed out all possibilities that would fail and cause us to post threads of "which way to go guys?" or "forced induction is...". they have found a very happy medium that allows for a substantial power increase as well as the warm cozy feeling that your motor isnt on borrowed time every day you go out for a spirited drive.
spectacle said it before and i totally agree, nut-swinging power fiends are the people on this board that cause mayhem like the guy on the Allstate commercials. passing along these cold-hard OPINIONS like they are facts about the motor and setup. when in reality, not a single person on here today has had their setup(whatever it may be. from greddy to mase) has had it for longer than a year issue free before they posted a true and safe review of the setup. and thats how many of us get into sticky situations. its this shaky, unstable, volatile area that so many of us have put the motor into and then we wonder why in 2 months there have been over 6 people with Engines as temporary doorstops from their 400 dollar IP 3mm head gasket.....
i digress.
the point is, it has become alarmingly apparent that the motor is an amazing piece of machinery and functions well up to certain power areas, but after those undisclosed and exactly calculated limits, these motors should be 100% built just like the B-series motors of 10 years ago. you never saw anyone riding reliably past about 300whp on b-series before building took place. i they did, it was a fluke. and unlike today, the flukes didnt have as big of an impact on others as they do on this forum.
just something to think about guys. no pointing fingers, bashing, or anything of the sort. i really think everyone should re-evaluate their decisions and what they were based on. then, see if your setup is built like a brick sh1t-house, or made out of straw just wating for a small error to tear it down.
-Nathan
so people have believed that nonsense and also followed in the footsteps and continued to spew the ignorance as they go.
but, inevitability shows its face around these short corners frequently now. the motors arnt these indestructible behemoths that everyone claimed them to be. so you made 600 on a wed in may on a dyno for 2 hours. big damn deal! where has the emphasis on reliability gone gentlemen? its gone to hell because people have talked up and talked up for so long with no real testing and longevity to back it up.
so, power hungry individuals do variations of what they have seen on here. and they trust these guys know what they are talking about. but how can you call something "one way or another" when you've maybe had it running that way without interruptions for a few months before you call it the holy grail?
not picking favorites, but why do you think comptech users are the least affected by all sorts of crap? because it has been tested OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER in repetition to weed out all possibilities that would fail and cause us to post threads of "which way to go guys?" or "forced induction is...". they have found a very happy medium that allows for a substantial power increase as well as the warm cozy feeling that your motor isnt on borrowed time every day you go out for a spirited drive.
spectacle said it before and i totally agree, nut-swinging power fiends are the people on this board that cause mayhem like the guy on the Allstate commercials. passing along these cold-hard OPINIONS like they are facts about the motor and setup. when in reality, not a single person on here today has had their setup(whatever it may be. from greddy to mase) has had it for longer than a year issue free before they posted a true and safe review of the setup. and thats how many of us get into sticky situations. its this shaky, unstable, volatile area that so many of us have put the motor into and then we wonder why in 2 months there have been over 6 people with Engines as temporary doorstops from their 400 dollar IP 3mm head gasket.....
i digress.
the point is, it has become alarmingly apparent that the motor is an amazing piece of machinery and functions well up to certain power areas, but after those undisclosed and exactly calculated limits, these motors should be 100% built just like the B-series motors of 10 years ago. you never saw anyone riding reliably past about 300whp on b-series before building took place. i they did, it was a fluke. and unlike today, the flukes didnt have as big of an impact on others as they do on this forum.
just something to think about guys. no pointing fingers, bashing, or anything of the sort. i really think everyone should re-evaluate their decisions and what they were based on. then, see if your setup is built like a brick sh1t-house, or made out of straw just wating for a small error to tear it down.
-Nathan
^ well said. There is a limit to what you can do safely and achieve reliability in the same breath. I think 400whp without changing anything on a turbo is doable. 500whp on e85 maybe the limit before shlt start breaking.
Originally Posted by passmans2kny,Aug 26 2010, 06:20 AM
Just ditch the meth, your not gonna be happy with a supercharger after the set up u were running, good luck
But I think going back to NA for a while will "slow me down" to the point where an S/C kit will feel fast when I put it on.
For the record I dont think I was pushing my car too far with this setup. 12psi and a few pulls a night is not a lot to ask. I should have kept the setup simple. Meth overcomplicated things. Live & learn, twice lol
Originally Posted by Deception,Aug 26 2010, 07:40 AM
Yeah everyone keeps telling me that.
But I think going back to NA for a while will "slow me down" to the point where an S/C kit will feel fast when I put it on.
For the record I dont think I was pushing my car too far with this setup. 12psi and a few pulls a night is not a lot to ask. I should have kept the setup simple. Meth overcomplicated things. Live & learn, twice lol
But I think going back to NA for a while will "slow me down" to the point where an S/C kit will feel fast when I put it on.
For the record I dont think I was pushing my car too far with this setup. 12psi and a few pulls a night is not a lot to ask. I should have kept the setup simple. Meth overcomplicated things. Live & learn, twice lol
I had a meth kit setup on my old integra turbo and never ran into trouble for the years I had it. However, I had a few things setup to warn me if there was a possible failure. One of my favourite monitoring tool was IAT sensor. If I don't see the temp drop, I stop boosting right away.
Meth does complicate things, but checking your car over once a week can save you a lot of head ache. To blame meth as the cause isn't fair either when you should have done your part and check your setup.
sorry to hear about your troubles. hopefully everything works out.




