forced induction is the devil
Originally Posted by JoeyBalls,Aug 26 2010, 01:07 AM
The Green LED should have let you know the line came off, also the reason I got my Flwo gauge, if the lines blows off the Flow goes through the roof, so you know something is wrong 

The green light ONLY let's you know the pump is working as it should and the level in the resouvour isn't low.
Otherwise, you could have the methanol spraying in the air for all it knows.
If the line is broken BEFORE it goes into the intake tract, then even your flow guage wouldn't save you.
As for the rest...I'm still confident the motors are strong. You'd think I'd be biased b/c of my past experience, but that actually has strengthened my resolve.
I saw first hand what the limits of meth on pump gas are. Had I been running a high octane leaded fuel, I do not beleive I would have seen the signs of heat in the pistons as I did.
I am still unsure of the limits on this built motor and I'll put some careful thought into it before I start to push it again.
The problem becomes this:
People make xxx whp. Instead of being responsible and cruising around on low boost, and enjoying the car, it's balls out ALL the time..of course things are going to break. Last yr I made 509whp, and usually just rolled around on ~400whp 99% of the time. Thats the beauty of a turbo setup, dial the power in WHEN you need it.
This isn't a race car, and when people treat it as such w/o spending the $$ in the right places to alleviate those known issues, things will break. Then we get these threads and people are all surprised. Well what the poster doesn't didn't tell you (not referring to OP, just in general) is that he was doing 5 back to back 100mph+ pulls before his piston let loose, or the 50 clutch dumps when his diff spit out chunks. It's all relative.
Treat the car right and it will last you. Beat on it, and we ALL are on borrowed time, regardless of stock or built motor.
How serious is this "shaking on shutdown business?" My boosted setup has done that for 3 years. Some people that witness it comment and say its unnatural but my car doesn't smoke. It will lose it's idle once in awhile but I attribute that to my less than perfect tune.
My condolences to the OP. I know what its like to be trying to get something you want on a limited budget. Stay strong my man.
My condolences to the OP. I know what its like to be trying to get something you want on a limited budget. Stay strong my man.
Originally Posted by amok,Aug 26 2010, 08:52 AM
did you have any sort of failsafe or warning device setup if there was failure for the meth setup. You drove the car around for a week and didn't notice anything? or check your setup.
I had a meth kit setup on my old integra turbo and never ran into trouble for the years I had it. However, I had a few things setup to warn me if there was a possible failure. One of my favourite monitoring tool was IAT sensor. If I don't see the temp drop, I stop boosting right away.
Meth does complicate things, but checking your car over once a week can save you a lot of head ache. To blame meth as the cause isn't fair either when you should have done your part and check your setup.
sorry to hear about your troubles. hopefully everything works out.
I had a meth kit setup on my old integra turbo and never ran into trouble for the years I had it. However, I had a few things setup to warn me if there was a possible failure. One of my favourite monitoring tool was IAT sensor. If I don't see the temp drop, I stop boosting right away.
Meth does complicate things, but checking your car over once a week can save you a lot of head ache. To blame meth as the cause isn't fair either when you should have done your part and check your setup.
sorry to hear about your troubles. hopefully everything works out.
I do look under the hood every day, check oil etc. general once over. But where the meth line came off was not easily visible.
Im not spraying meth sitting in my garage so I wouldn't see it leaking out on the floor. You cant watch gauges every single time you floor it , thats how you end up crashing your car.
Im not going to blame myself for losing another motor? Its not AEM's fault either, I got unlucky with a stupid rubber hose popping off & it blew my motor. There isnt really much else to say about it.
List of thugs I've learned
1. Meth can/will fail
2. Ip 3mm head gasket isn't a solution
3. 500hp is an agreeable limit for reliability with a
good kit and tune
4. Those that drive on high boost daily and beat on their car will break said car
5. Every fi car will break and when it does you fix it and the next thing breaks. Doesn't mean I'm gonna sell it and buy a Z06
1. Meth can/will fail
2. Ip 3mm head gasket isn't a solution
3. 500hp is an agreeable limit for reliability with a
good kit and tune
4. Those that drive on high boost daily and beat on their car will break said car
5. Every fi car will break and when it does you fix it and the next thing breaks. Doesn't mean I'm gonna sell it and buy a Z06
Sorry to hear about it. This is why I am glad to be satisfied with the base level boost on my SC.
For some boost is a drug and you always want more, but I chose the roots kit for instant torque so even if it was not faster than some higher boosted sc's, it would feel quicker when behind the wheel.
I know that sounds dumb, but there it is.
For some boost is a drug and you always want more, but I chose the roots kit for instant torque so even if it was not faster than some higher boosted sc's, it would feel quicker when behind the wheel.
I know that sounds dumb, but there it is.
there is also a quote that i cant stand that frequents these threads, "turbo stuff is going to break."
its strange that 90% of oem turbo'd cars that havn't been messed with rarely have this issue. thats because the extreme amount of r&d time has kept all the problems and hassles at bay.
it doesnt have to always break, but with mixed parts, stuff that hasnt been put through the ringer till some people put it on their cars, half-assed installs, and power addicted drivers, the problems arise.
listen, a turbo setup doesnt consist of a turbo sitting on a manifold with some pipes in an engine bay. its all the hundreds of little pieces, parts, design choices, worldly elements, and general use that is included in that setup. so many of you guys think very 1-d about the matter. the setup is everything down to the torque on the AN fittings, correctly used Teflon or ultra-gray, aerodynamics, air flow and pressure rates. there are sooo many things that have to be able to take that 500whp abuse, NOT JUST THE ENGINE AND TURBO. because those things too are a part of that power.
if everyone on the forum started out with the same kit, and as things came about, they got together and modified the issue, and went back out on the roads, in about a years time, there would have been umpteen reports of problems but with so many involved with the same kit, there would be some down right decent solutions and fixes. but thats obviously not the case. everyone has all these different setups from mixed combined kits to full kits from companies, and multiple installers and fabricators. its no wonder the drama is endless, there are about 6 more years worth of testing to get this crap ironed out. and almost everyone with these "kits" are test subjects.
like i said, its gonna cost you to go out of the safety zone. so you need to either head it off at the pass with the best knowledge and parts available, or be ready to pay the pied piper when pieces here or there bite the dust.
its strange that 90% of oem turbo'd cars that havn't been messed with rarely have this issue. thats because the extreme amount of r&d time has kept all the problems and hassles at bay.
it doesnt have to always break, but with mixed parts, stuff that hasnt been put through the ringer till some people put it on their cars, half-assed installs, and power addicted drivers, the problems arise.
listen, a turbo setup doesnt consist of a turbo sitting on a manifold with some pipes in an engine bay. its all the hundreds of little pieces, parts, design choices, worldly elements, and general use that is included in that setup. so many of you guys think very 1-d about the matter. the setup is everything down to the torque on the AN fittings, correctly used Teflon or ultra-gray, aerodynamics, air flow and pressure rates. there are sooo many things that have to be able to take that 500whp abuse, NOT JUST THE ENGINE AND TURBO. because those things too are a part of that power.
if everyone on the forum started out with the same kit, and as things came about, they got together and modified the issue, and went back out on the roads, in about a years time, there would have been umpteen reports of problems but with so many involved with the same kit, there would be some down right decent solutions and fixes. but thats obviously not the case. everyone has all these different setups from mixed combined kits to full kits from companies, and multiple installers and fabricators. its no wonder the drama is endless, there are about 6 more years worth of testing to get this crap ironed out. and almost everyone with these "kits" are test subjects.
like i said, its gonna cost you to go out of the safety zone. so you need to either head it off at the pass with the best knowledge and parts available, or be ready to pay the pied piper when pieces here or there bite the dust.







