Lovefab's stuff is top notch. With the first few kits not quite all there. I read many a posts about what needed here and what was needed there. I didn't buy one for personal reasons and I knew who Full-Race was from other Honda groups and couldn't go wrong with the set-up. I will pull this out of the hat. With every problem between the two companies both have come forward with pride, service, and reasponsibility over their products. Lovefab has either (from customer posts) overnighted, sat on the phone to help, or just made a replacement part for every kit purchased directly from him. Same goes for Full-Race. You don't even want to know how many labor free hours they have into my car from building the turbo kit. I couldn't count that high. Both companies are reputable and we all chose the right company for us. Sit down and look over what you want and look at what you know because you won't go wrong with either kit.



-Chris

 

^amen.

 

You cannot beat Cody and LoveFab customer service.

He took the injectors from his own car (rendering it undriveable) to satisfy a customer who got some faulty injectors from the manufacturer. It was going to take a few days to get them and Cody didn't want the customer to wait any longer.

 

The full race kit is the best in my opinion. Full race spends alot of money on research and testing while others like Lovefab do not. That's the most important thing to me if I'm building a good turbo car. I would call or email Full-race and tell them you want to know more about their kit. They will be happy to show you dyno sheets and flow tests on any of their intake and exhaust manifolds. Just because a manifold looks nice and looks like it may flow good, doesn't necessarily mean it's working that great . With a good combination of turbo parts, just about any manifold can make decent power. I've seen even some of the crappiest cast manifolds make power. With my old car(not a S2000), I made close to 450WHP on a cast manifold like this. I mad that kind of power on a low compression motor without a ton of boost because I had a good turbo and combination of turbo parts. If I could do it over and had the funds, I would've have bought a manifold that was proven to work like the full-race. I would have made much more HP and torque at low,mid and high RPM. Check out some of the fastest Hondas(street and race cars) at the track and you will see alot of them are running full-race manifolds. A company that does their homework before putting out any product is awesome in my opinion.

 

Do you have any empirical evidence to back up your claim.

I could be wrong, but I remember someone recently posting about boost creep problems with a Full race manifold.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. However opinion does not always follow fact.

 

how can you say that lovefab does not spend $ on R&D I talk to cody about 3-4 times a week and I know that he spends a shit load of $$$ on R&D so til you know the facts dont talk out of your ass!

 

I've got the first LoveFab GT1 manifold and 3" dp combo and as far as I'm concerned, this manifold flows excellent.
On conservative A/F and timing, I'm making 332 whp and 217 lbft of torque on 6.2 psi and a completely stock motor. That's roughly 23 whp per psi and I have never seen any other manifold do that. Also my turbo is a bushing bearing 60-1 with full boost achieved at 4700 rpm.

 

HMM,

Shut up already. This is not a bash Full-Race or Bash Lovefab. Geez. Both companies have their fare amount of R&D in their kits. Full-Race gave me weekly updates while my car was there and I know that they have tons of time in their product. I also know that it works. On the other side you Cody that has spent a lot of time on his own car that he bought just for his kit that he produces and has equal time in R&D. The things I see at this point is the fact that I went to Full-Race and have loved there service, quality, tune on the car (Jeff Evans doesn't hurt here), and I can find people to say the same about Cody. The difference between the two companies. Most likely the size of shop, number of employees, overall overhead (Cody is what I call a start-up. Lower overhead. No offense Cody), One has a larger product line (Full-Race) and One has been around in the market with a stronger following (Full-Race wich is why you will see more of their product in the market). None of the above items I have listed tells me that one company is better than the other. I personally just went with the most popular and known for their quality of work. It all boils down to personal choice.

-Chris

 

both great guys....and great products but Cody kinda summed it up with a quote if I may from him:

"To sum it up? FR's game plan IMO is to conquer all that is good and evil. Mine is to work hard, make a good living(bought my first house two months ago), and provide a great product to great customers."

If you think FullRace does not invest time and $$ into their products and developments then some of you are just silly. Cody does the same but probably not as much as Geoff and the FullRace Team. You need to when you are trying to conquer all!!

 

I am VERY VERY passionate about the S2000. We own two of them now, one to test products with, the other mainly to build products on. Eventually both will be running/testing, but for now one for testing, one for mocking(then jigging).
If buying TWO S2000's for R&D isnt "spending $ on R&D" I guess Im missing something?

Lets not forget the 15,000+ miles and 400+track miles I have on the car. I am constantly trying new things out, AND wringing them out on the road course. If the products hold up on the road course, street driving will be like a 1/4 mile pass...
Not really on-topic of the thread starter, just backing up that I DO heavily participate in the R&D process.
To sum it up I have shifted all of my product "aims" at the S2000 market. Why? I love the cars and know how to upgrade what is missing from the factory, with factory-like reliability.