Actually they claimed 60 hp on a moderate turbo setup. Sounds more like moderate BS to me.

 

HB20S2k,

I think you hit the nail on the head my friend when you said:

"Man what makes you think that they do testing on every product they sell but won't do it for the S2000?"

Its not that I don't believe they won't do it for the S2k. Its just that they havn't as of now. And I am excited to see what they have done for other cars, but well, I don't own any of them.

Sorry if I was confusing before, but I only said that Lovefab was who I went with for the S2000. Now HB20S2k, if I had another vehicle that had this awsome manifold and what not, then you know what......probly would have gone with full-race. Why might you ask? Commen sense says, that because they did the R&R, they had the numbers, and they put out the product.

Now before we get to far off into opinion lets just stick with fact, which is everything I said before. SHOW ME THE NUMBERS! But I guess I miss guided you on that statement so for you HB20S2k, I will refraise that to....SHOW ME THE NUMBERS ON A CAR I CAR ABOUT WHICH IS A S2000.

So to sum it up:

PROBLY WOULD HAVE GONE WITH FULL-RACE, thats right HB20S2k I said full race right there. But then I remembered that I drive a S2000, so I went with the company that has more numbers, service, and R&D on a S2000, and thats Lovefab. Now thats just the facts.

J. R.

 

funny...some of you are talking but have no clue. I have a fullrace manifold (both intake and turbo) Yes, the gains are at least 50+hp with the intake during preliminary testing on my car. It's cold up here in NYC so I've gotten a bit lazy in wrapping up the project...

it is what it is...both great companies. Next year I actually begin working with these two (Geoff and Cody) on another projects. Now everyone has a choice so do your research and make your choice. No need to bash on anyone.

Both are in the spotlight right now and it's well deserved. Give them some support!

 

You have no credibility until you show some concrete evidence.Stock Intake manifold vs. full race intake dyno'es are thr only way bud.

 

trivium you're right, but I not looking for credibility on the intake...I'm looking for records. Believe what you want and buy what you want. I've seen thread that have posted dyno plots and still there was controversy regarding it being fake...I don't have time like that to waste. Just be happy you all have choices now..

 

blues2ki,

Hey, Sorry if I came off bashing. I appoligize, didn't mean to come like that just wanted show oppinion.

BUT, it is comments like yours that are the problem....50+ huh. Thats ironic, I just put on a K&N filter and got atleast 30+ hp. Then I cut off my exhaust and it sure feels like atleast 20+ hp.

Now as funny and asinine as that sounds, so does it when people say numbers with no dyno. And lets face it......geoff has access to a dyno. So then lets just go ahead and ask the question shall we:

So why doesn't he show a dyno Elmo?

Well kids, thats a good question, and I think the answer comes down to two responses.

1. The gains are probly going to be less than he claims so he doesn't want to do it.
2. More people will buy the manifold based on "could make" then if they saw a dyno plot as the plot may be less.

I find myself often thinking logical, and in this case, logic cannot explain why full-race has no dyno plot of this manifold if they have access, resources, and are willing to do it.

We know they have access and the resources so it must be the willing which puts me back to my previous post above blues2ki. That while BOTH ARE EXCELLENT COMPANIES, and people should consider them BOTH (yep I said BOTH) , I find that lovefab is making the effort with our particular car. because it comes down to what I just said...willing to do it. If the manifold can make the numbers like they say, then it just means that they are not willing to support the S2k by doing it. *sigh* how sad......

But you know thats ok. Because like you, people are still going to buy it and claim that it does "something". What the "something" is..........well no one knows yet, but we hope that its in the gain of some horses.

To sum it up, Both awsome companies.....so just do your research and make your own decision. All this crap I have just written. Just oppinion. So learn from it or treat it like salt. Its ok, cause thats what the forums are here for. Sorry again if I came off as bashing earlier. Not what I intended, and I appoligize.

Anyway Later guys!

J. R.

 

flexer, I apologize for my problematic comments...

 

I am just going to spit it out for you all and I hope that Cody figures this out soon. The S2000 is a small ass market and is truly a waste of time. I work with product developement all day long and the return on the S2k is far and short at the same time. Good if you want to stay small but the Civic platform, the RSX platform, EVO, and the WRX are way mroe promising and proffitable. So why over extend your COGS for a product. Sorry but the S2k community is really small in comparison to other car followings. This is why I was surprised when I talked with Geoff that he wanted to make a kit. This prompted me to lend my car out to him for product developement. I can tell you between the calls that Geoff has spent his fair share of cost in his developement of the S2000 kit. Wich brings me to the reason why there are only numbers floating around about the intake. The intake is in no way shape or form ready to go on a car. Some of you may not have known this but you first have to have a car to get it on and my car is coming home. The second thing is Geoff wants his best front forward with set-up and he is away for the holidays. So you will have to wait and I guarantee that Geoff will get you the dyno plots as soon has he gets it ready. Man you all are anxious for some reports on this stuff but don't bash till you get some more facts. The potential with the manifold is great with changeable runners and some other good stuff I just can't wait till February for my car so I am not going with the new intake. So stay tuned till then for more info. And quit bashing already. Geez like a bunch of kids.


-Chris

 

I was going to make a few comments about this but desided against it. Rather I will just say that I personally feel this has nothing to do with the topic. If Lovefab chooses to spend the money to be a sponser then that's his choise and it has nothing to do with the design or function of a turbo kit.

 

wannabuy,

I too and excited about the manifold as it might be the next best mod I can can power from without turning up the boost. Good to know that geoff will eventually be making some dyno's of the manifold.

I agree with you on the small S2k market. But you know what. Everyone said that about the 3rd gen Rx7, and it ended up being a HUGE market.......Why might you ask. Well the cars price came down over the years till it was between 15k-25k and then all the tuners or people who just wanted a tuner car got ahold of em and went mod crazy. I think lovefab is entering in this market at a good time.

Take me for example. Waited for the car to depreciate down to 18k. Bought my 01 with 29k for 18,000 bucs. Good deal. Then in 2 months had the thing modded to the hilt, turbo and all. And you know what......there are just more and more people who are getting ahold of the car now just like myself. The aftermarket demand for the s2k is going to be growing more now than it ever has, and only going to get bigger as the cars price comes down. My belief is that eventually the s2000 while be like the Rx7 where it will be the 2nd and 3rd owners that are going to modify them, and once they do........this market won't be so small anymore.

BUT who knows, I could be wrong!

J. R.