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^I didnt word that properly. I was basically saying I seriously doubt someone has ever broke into the 600s with a sc. But looking at the shit that happens every day with these cars, it wouldnt surprise me a bit to see it in the future
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Originally Posted by camuman,Nov 5 2009, 07:10 AM
i have yet to see a 500whp s2k SC that is on a dynojet, dyno dynamics 
sideways car was 500+ on churches dyno, but on other dynos in his area, i tend to think no. no doubt the car is fast though.
all the 500whp s2ks are on dynapacks. funny aint it. 400-450whp dynojet is the highest i beleive. maybe 475. but not 500. and 600? link please, cuase i never saw that.
there was a dude running a 1220SL blower to 18psi on a dynojet, and he saw about 410-420 on a dynojet and everyone was like thats low. no, its low cause it was on a different dyno that all the others.
most dynapacks, not all, but def most, read about 5% high. so even leo520 would be like 380 on other dynos. that was on evans dyno right? pretty sure his reads around 5% higher then a adynojet but thats mostly cuase the wheels come off. his dynapack is not calibrated to give smiles like churches ROFL.
its hard to compare though, cuase the delta is what matters, what did you start with, what did you finish with. theres the gain.
click my dynojet 8psi dyno, you see my NA power then my SC 8psi power. theres my gain. i then went to a dyno dynamics on 9psi, and the heartbreaker reads lower. but the car is faster. impossible to compare the two, but i have seen people add 10-15% to a dynodynamics number. i dont, but i can see why they do it.
sideways car was 500+ on churches dyno, but on other dynos in his area, i tend to think no. no doubt the car is fast though.
all the 500whp s2ks are on dynapacks. funny aint it. 400-450whp dynojet is the highest i beleive. maybe 475. but not 500. and 600? link please, cuase i never saw that.
there was a dude running a 1220SL blower to 18psi on a dynojet, and he saw about 410-420 on a dynojet and everyone was like thats low. no, its low cause it was on a different dyno that all the others.
most dynapacks, not all, but def most, read about 5% high. so even leo520 would be like 380 on other dynos. that was on evans dyno right? pretty sure his reads around 5% higher then a adynojet but thats mostly cuase the wheels come off. his dynapack is not calibrated to give smiles like churches ROFL.
its hard to compare though, cuase the delta is what matters, what did you start with, what did you finish with. theres the gain.
click my dynojet 8psi dyno, you see my NA power then my SC 8psi power. theres my gain. i then went to a dyno dynamics on 9psi, and the heartbreaker reads lower. but the car is faster. impossible to compare the two, but i have seen people add 10-15% to a dynodynamics number. i dont, but i can see why they do it.
but johnz car made 500 on bisi's dyno, everyone knows ther dyno read low... low..
some say lower than dynojet..(personally i am not sure)..
as for me, i also think evans dyno reads a little higher than dynojet, but i had seen stock ap2 read somewhere 220 ish.. isn't that the same as most dyno jet?
and remember the dsport magzine of sc'ed s2k battle issue??
the stock vortech with 8 psi out of the box, pushed out 360 on a dyno jet.
and that's with stock header,exhaust, and reflash out of the box, so i am thinking with a custom tune and more supporting mods, like header,test pipe and an exhaust will atleast get another 30+ whps with 2+more psi's of boost...
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Originally Posted by leo520,Nov 5 2009, 11:26 AM
yea... Church's dyno read high.
but johnz car made 500 on bisi's dyno, everyone knows ther dyno read low... low..
some say lower than dynojet..(personally i am not sure)..
as for me, i also think evans dyno reads a little higher than dynojet, but i had seen stock ap2 read somewhere 220 ish.. isn't that the same as most dyno jet?
and remember the dsport magzine of sc'ed s2k battle issue??
the stock vortech with 8 psi out of the box, pushed out 360 on a dyno jet.
and that's with stock header,exhaust, and reflash out of the box, so i am thinking with a custom tune and more supporting mods, like header,test pipe and an exhaust will atleast get another 30+ whps with 2+more psi's of boost...
but johnz car made 500 on bisi's dyno, everyone knows ther dyno read low... low..
some say lower than dynojet..(personally i am not sure)..
as for me, i also think evans dyno reads a little higher than dynojet, but i had seen stock ap2 read somewhere 220 ish.. isn't that the same as most dyno jet?
and remember the dsport magzine of sc'ed s2k battle issue??
the stock vortech with 8 psi out of the box, pushed out 360 on a dyno jet.
and that's with stock header,exhaust, and reflash out of the box, so i am thinking with a custom tune and more supporting mods, like header,test pipe and an exhaust will atleast get another 30+ whps with 2+more psi's of boost...
the bigger question is, the blower john Z has on his car, can it flow enough air to belt out that kinda power on an s2k? i agree bisi dyno reads llower then most dynapacks, buit again, you take off the wheels, which is weight the motor would have to spin, and you also eliminate friction to the surfaace to get the numbers. if the dyno is trying to calc the loss and add it back in, then theres so much room for error.
ehh, it sucks, cuase theres just no way to really compare the two. if john Z went to a dynojet it only proves what the dynojet reads compared to bisi. but it doesnt mean his car has less/more power, just different power.
when peop[le ask me what mine makes, i say 350dynojet 8psi, 332 dyno dynamics 9psi. if they know what the dynos are, they say ok i get it. if they dont, they say why did u lose power with more boost.
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Originally Posted by camuman,Nov 5 2009, 10:10 AM
i have yet to see a 500whp s2k SC that is on a dynojet, dyno dynamics
sideways car was 500+ on churches dyno, but on other dynos in his area, i tend to think no. no doubt the car is fast though.
all the 500whp s2ks are on dynapacks. funny aint it. 400-450whp dynojet is the highest i beleive. maybe 475. but not 500. and 600? link please, cuase i never saw that.
there was a dude running a 1220SL blower to 18psi on a dynojet, and he saw about 410-420 on a dynojet and everyone was like thats low. no, its low cause it was on a different dyno that all the others.
most dynapacks, not all, but def most, read about 5% high. so even leo520 would be like 380 on other dynos. that was on evans dyno right? pretty sure his reads around 5% higher then a adynojet but thats mostly cuase the wheels come off. his dynapack is not calibrated to give smiles like churches ROFL.
its hard to compare though, cuase the delta is what matters, what did you start with, what did you finish with. theres the gain.
click my dynojet 8psi dyno, you see my NA power then my SC 8psi power. theres my gain. i then went to a dyno dynamics on 9psi, and the heartbreaker reads lower. but the car is faster. impossible to compare the two, but i have seen people add 10-15% to a dynodynamics number. i dont, but i can see why they do it.
sideways car was 500+ on churches dyno, but on other dynos in his area, i tend to think no. no doubt the car is fast though.
all the 500whp s2ks are on dynapacks. funny aint it. 400-450whp dynojet is the highest i beleive. maybe 475. but not 500. and 600? link please, cuase i never saw that.
there was a dude running a 1220SL blower to 18psi on a dynojet, and he saw about 410-420 on a dynojet and everyone was like thats low. no, its low cause it was on a different dyno that all the others.
most dynapacks, not all, but def most, read about 5% high. so even leo520 would be like 380 on other dynos. that was on evans dyno right? pretty sure his reads around 5% higher then a adynojet but thats mostly cuase the wheels come off. his dynapack is not calibrated to give smiles like churches ROFL.
its hard to compare though, cuase the delta is what matters, what did you start with, what did you finish with. theres the gain.
click my dynojet 8psi dyno, you see my NA power then my SC 8psi power. theres my gain. i then went to a dyno dynamics on 9psi, and the heartbreaker reads lower. but the car is faster. impossible to compare the two, but i have seen people add 10-15% to a dynodynamics number. i dont, but i can see why they do it.
All this being said, I think the Novi 1200 is really a step in the right direction and Vortech's bound to continue refining their V2 design as well. I think we'll see a 500whp on an unfriendly dyno in the coming year or so...but it's going to take some pushing of the envelope...something our community hasn't really had a problem with historically.
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Originally Posted by Kermdaddy,Nov 5 2009, 05:45 PM
Whoever is the first to put a TVS blower to the S2K will probably break 500 hp IMO.
Edit: Imagine a stroker with that positive displacement blower. That would have some serious torque
Edit: Imagine a stroker with that positive displacement blower. That would have some serious torque
stupid blowers have different bolt patterns, intake positions, bleh bleh. heck if the mp90 bolted up i would do it right now.
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Originally Posted by Spec_Ops2087,Nov 5 2009, 05:55 PM
500+ is pretty much turbo territory only
only thing holding me back is CFM's of the blower itself.
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Originally Posted by camuman,Nov 5 2009, 01:58 PM
an mp112 could prolly do it. theres a thread on HT about a guy that has a stroked b series wiht a mp112 maybe mp90 fitted to it and FMIC. he made near 500whp and its a frigggin sick power band.
only thing holding me back is CFM's of the blower itself.
only thing holding me back is CFM's of the blower itself.