the problems darius was having with his manifold was caused by the wastegate flange + recirculating dump. we have since switched over to the mvs wastegates and there is no more problem.

 

So I was right, you say things but you have thought or theory to back them up.

I will validate a good point, but I get increasingly annoyed with posts like this. It’s people like you that have cost me time and money on my builds. You talk about hearsay, derive your knowledge for advertising and regurgitate it here so that members trying to learn about S2000 specifics and they get great info from a hand few of people while the others have nothing to offer. How about I help you, if you want to talk about wear and tear here are a few points you can look into.

Exhaust back pressure – Does it really make a difference? How does it weigh against the stress on the crank?

Under hood temperatures – Is there enough to effect anything?

Boost control – Can it be reliable, will it work on all climatic conditions?

 

Umm... yeah, that was YOU when you claimed that the Mase kit would be easier on the S2000 drivetrain than the KW kit.

The FACT (which seems to keep escaping you) is there is NO way to accurately generalize like that.

Everybody is going to drive their car differently, use it in different ways and have different results. As has already been mentioned in this thread there are plenty of people who have blown their rear ends on completely stock cars and there are also plenty of people with more than twice the hp of a stock S still running the factory rear end with no issues.

No matter which kit one decides to go with there will always be the possibility that things will break. I would not recommend anybody buy ANY FI kit without planning for the inevitable increased maintenance costs and the possibility of things breaking.

 

My dad can beat up your dad.

 

I am making 377whp with my Kraftwerks S/C with hondata flashpro. Honestly, for my purposes I wouldn't take a single extra whp even if it were free so it doesnt matter that the kit is at potential. On any given road course even 377 whp is overkill. Fun as hell but overkill. The car would be NOT be any faster on the track going from 377whp to 450whp.

One benefit to the kraftwerks kit is perfectly linear horsepower which will really really help with traction on straight line and even more so corning especially track conditions.

 

Reality check....

I put mine up for sale and I sold it VERY quickly. I had multiple buyers, but then again that was back when Kraftwerks had a better name. I've been waiting for a CF Mugen top to pop up for some time. It's worth more than 4K and I have cash in hand so I would argue that it's more of a supply and demand issue. There is a supply of KW SCs for sale and just not much of a demand. Again, just my opinion.

Please don't try and spin my words into a sales pitch for KW. 80K miles and only $300 in maintenance parts, come buy your KW today. LMAO My statements were made as a counter point to a post saying how reliable the KW kit is. If you're fine with being stranded in the middle of no where because your $20 part broke that's great for you, but most people would be pissed. It doesn't matter if the part is $20 or $2,000, you're still stranded. Don didn't get those 80K miles driving around town, it was cross country.

I don't think Mase's kit is more reliable than KW's kit. Think of it this way, even OEM Hondas have warranty issues. You start F*ing with them, especially with FI, you're going to have a lot more reliability issues. End of story.

LMAO, at your 80K mile reference. You really have no idea of how I use my car. Let me fill you in a little. It's a 2007 with 7K. It only comes out on beautiful days. When it does come out, I beat the hell out of it. I spend more time tinkering with it than driving it. It's just a hobby for me. My wife and I have 4 vehicles (not counting motorcycles) and she works at home. So.... reliability is not big for me. I just want to make sure people are properly educated when someone comments on how reliable a KW SC is.

-Chris

u guys

 

Chris, You know I know how you use your car. We talked at length about all kinds of crap in regards to that type of stuff when I was buying your KW kit. I know that you will never ever put 80k miles on your car.

The point of this thread (based on the OP) was a comparison of the reliability between the two.

Since all you offered in your previous post was a bash on the KW reliability, I just wanted you to clarify whether or not you actually expect better from your Mase kit than the Kraftwerks kit, which you just confirmed that you don't.

That's all.

In the end, buy the kit you like the best for your use, but no matter what don't expect bulletproof perfection when you're modding the hell out of any car.

 

You say bash, I say first hand knowledge. Seen with my own eyes, held the broken pieces with my own hands. Spoke with OJR and insisted that there was a problem only to be told no there isn't. Then a few others experienced similar failures and poof, there was a new pulley set from KW.

I think at this point we can agree to disagree. You say KW is reliable, I say it's garbage. We both speak from our own experiences.

The point is THEY ARE BOTH FI AND THEREFORE RELIABILTY IS OUT THE WINDOW. Saying that KW is MORE reliable than Mase is just absurd. There is not enough data to make a claim either way.

-Chris

At least you make me laugh...

 

I never said this.


Both of these statements are pretty much what I've been trying to say all along.


We may disagree about Kraftwerks, but it sounds like we may agree on the big picture of what to realistically expect from a heavily modified car.

 

Or we could be like Goddard and spend $30k to get a mathematically calculated 400whp. My kit is as reliable as his as of this point.