KW v2 to TTS Conversion Group Buy!
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Originally Posted by Junkno' timestamp='1458206913' post='23911171
[quote name='06S2k07Si' timestamp='1458206646' post='23911168']
Here is a picture of where there is a clearance issue. If you "message" the AC line closer to the cross member it will fit. Note that this it my modified pipe...not how it came.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...age&img=845162
Here is a picture of where there is a clearance issue. If you "message" the AC line closer to the cross member it will fit. Note that this it my modified pipe...not how it came.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...age&img=845162
To be clear... IF one messages the AC line much closer to the cross member modification to that AC line is not needed.
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Many thanks for your input Brian, really appreciated
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Originally Posted by Junkno' timestamp='1458207619' post='23911178
[quote name='06S2k07Si' timestamp='1458207057' post='23911175']
Rain H8er,
regarding the TTS race intercooler, I was wondering if I can use their Kit and just fabricate my own hot side and cold side piping utilizing the TTS intercooler . Hot side custom made properly so it doesn't hit the AC Line and the Cold side routed from the driver side and going directly to the throttle body/intake manifold (not routed traditionally to go on passenger side then driver side then intake manifold)
This IS what we just did and I'm in the middle of reinstalling now. We cut the original end tanks off...reused the core and have completely re done all of the piping. When the installation is complete I will update my thread accordingly.
Originally Posted by Junkno
Rain H8er,
regarding the TTS race intercooler, I was wondering if I can use their Kit and just fabricate my own hot side and cold side piping utilizing the TTS intercooler . Hot side custom made properly so it doesn't hit the AC Line and the Cold side routed from the driver side and going directly to the throttle body/intake manifold (not routed traditionally to go on passenger side then driver side then intake manifold)
That's great to hear, am sure this way it should work properly and shouldn't cause a problem. IS there a reason why you cut of the end tanks ?
I thought it would be easier actually by just removing old pipes and adding new ones ?
Sorry to Hi jack the thread, but hope this info is helpful for other s2ki members as well
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Great I got the Picture now, so basically cutting of the End tank of the Driver side and welding a new one in that will allow the cold pipe to head directly then to the intake manifold would be a great option
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From: Baraboo, WI
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Originally Posted by 06S2k07Si' timestamp='1458207778' post='23911179
[quote name='Junkno' timestamp='1458206913' post='23911171']
[quote name='06S2k07Si' timestamp='1458206646' post='23911168']
Here is a picture of where there is a clearance issue. If you "message" the AC line closer to the cross member it will fit. Note that this it my modified pipe...not how it came.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...age&img=845162
[quote name='06S2k07Si' timestamp='1458206646' post='23911168']
Here is a picture of where there is a clearance issue. If you "message" the AC line closer to the cross member it will fit. Note that this it my modified pipe...not how it came.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...age&img=845162
To be clear... IF one messages the AC line much closer to the cross member modification to that AC line is not needed.
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Many thanks for your input Brian, really appreciated
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You're very welcome Sir!
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Originally Posted by 06S2k07Si' timestamp='1458207969' post='23911180
[quote name='Junkno' timestamp='1458207619' post='23911178']
[quote name='06S2k07Si' timestamp='1458207057' post='23911175']
Rain H8er,
regarding the TTS race intercooler, I was wondering if I can use their Kit and just fabricate my own hot side and cold side piping utilizing the TTS intercooler . Hot side custom made properly so it doesn't hit the AC Line and the Cold side routed from the driver side and going directly to the throttle body/intake manifold (not routed traditionally to go on passenger side then driver side then intake manifold)
This IS what we just did and I'm in the middle of reinstalling now. We cut the original end tanks off...reused the core and have completely re done all of the piping. When the installation is complete I will update my thread accordingly.
[quote name='06S2k07Si' timestamp='1458207057' post='23911175']
Originally Posted by Junkno
Rain H8er,
regarding the TTS race intercooler, I was wondering if I can use their Kit and just fabricate my own hot side and cold side piping utilizing the TTS intercooler . Hot side custom made properly so it doesn't hit the AC Line and the Cold side routed from the driver side and going directly to the throttle body/intake manifold (not routed traditionally to go on passenger side then driver side then intake manifold)
That's great to hear, am sure this way it should work properly and shouldn't cause a problem. IS there a reason why you cut of the end tanks ?
I thought it would be easier actually by just removing old pipes and adding new ones ?
Sorry to Hi jack the thread, but hope this info is helpful for other s2ki members as well
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Great I got the Picture now, so basically cutting of the End tank of the Driver side and welding a new one in that will allow the cold pipe to head directly then to the intake manifold would be a great option
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Thanks for sharing the picture, now I really have a better idea, as I have never seen the intercooler piper from this perspective before.\
Am sure with deletion of the driver side pipe and doing the custom cold pipe it will save a some weight and clear some space under the supercharger
Am sure with deletion of the driver side pipe and doing the custom cold pipe it will save a some weight and clear some space under the supercharger
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I am not sure I will have the patience to continue to post in this thread. Learn from other peoples mistakes. Both TTS equipped cars I have in my area (I managed the install on one, and looked at the other in person), both owners ended up having the charge piping redone.
Do not waste your time with buying the TTS charge piping and intercooler. If you do not have any experience with fabrication of intercooler piping or intercoolers, do not comment or speculate on what you think you could get away with. Financially, you are wasting your time.
Could you use the KW intercooler and piping? Yes.
Would you need to rework the hot side on the blower discharge outlet? Yes
Would a simple silicone hose extension work for this? Most likely not as the angles and distances away from one another do not match up
Would fabrication of the engine bay portion of the hot side charge piping need to be fabricated/welded/modified? YES
Keep in mind, this is all about flow, so having nice radius bends is critical to have optimum efficiency of the kit (more boost pressure = more HP!). The 90 degree bend on the KW kit blower output is hurting air flow and has a direct relation with potential power output.
A comment was made about how 10whp isnt a big deal. That is huge, do not underestimate the difference a single HP can make, do not forget that is actually close to 12 engine hp depending on the drivetrain loss percentage you use. 12 engine hp, that is equivalent to the gain normally seen from a Js header being installed on a car that is already making around 480 engine hp (405-420whp)
Do not waste your time with buying the TTS charge piping and intercooler. If you do not have any experience with fabrication of intercooler piping or intercoolers, do not comment or speculate on what you think you could get away with. Financially, you are wasting your time.
Could you use the KW intercooler and piping? Yes.
Would you need to rework the hot side on the blower discharge outlet? Yes
Would a simple silicone hose extension work for this? Most likely not as the angles and distances away from one another do not match up
Would fabrication of the engine bay portion of the hot side charge piping need to be fabricated/welded/modified? YES
Keep in mind, this is all about flow, so having nice radius bends is critical to have optimum efficiency of the kit (more boost pressure = more HP!). The 90 degree bend on the KW kit blower output is hurting air flow and has a direct relation with potential power output.
A comment was made about how 10whp isnt a big deal. That is huge, do not underestimate the difference a single HP can make, do not forget that is actually close to 12 engine hp depending on the drivetrain loss percentage you use. 12 engine hp, that is equivalent to the gain normally seen from a Js header being installed on a car that is already making around 480 engine hp (405-420whp)
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Lots of good discussion and options being put forth here. Rainh8r and Brian make valid points about the kit and piping. The hot side piping from blower will need to be reworked to not rub on ac lines. This kit was designed for rhd cars so cold side piping is routed the way it is. Is it functional? Yes. Is it the most direct route to engine? No Will reworking intercooler and piping make more gains? Time will tell, but that's why we experiment.
The bov is close to engine hood but I found reversing valve so boost pressure holds valve shut and vacuum opens valve worked better for me and give more clearance. I highly recommend that forge valve for no compressor surge.
Like I stated earlier I have the race intercooler, the already modified hot pipe to clear ac lines and the cold side piping to manifold coated in black with the silicone couplers if anyone wants it. The intercooler also has welded brackets for the oil cooler for easy attachment.
First $300 gets all of it. That's a fraction of the cost of new. I am keeping intake pipe. PM me if interested.
The bov is close to engine hood but I found reversing valve so boost pressure holds valve shut and vacuum opens valve worked better for me and give more clearance. I highly recommend that forge valve for no compressor surge.
Like I stated earlier I have the race intercooler, the already modified hot pipe to clear ac lines and the cold side piping to manifold coated in black with the silicone couplers if anyone wants it. The intercooler also has welded brackets for the oil cooler for easy attachment.
First $300 gets all of it. That's a fraction of the cost of new. I am keeping intake pipe. PM me if interested.
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Would be interested if we could make a splitted kit that has the best of both worlds
C38-91
Tts bracket kit
Kraftwerks intercooler and piping kit ( 500usd directly at kraftwerks! )
Injecs+pump
Im guessing we could save a grand or two compared to a full tts kit this way?
Highly interested in a tts custom kit!
C38-91
Tts bracket kit
Kraftwerks intercooler and piping kit ( 500usd directly at kraftwerks! )
Injecs+pump
Im guessing we could save a grand or two compared to a full tts kit this way?
Highly interested in a tts custom kit!
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Lots of good discussion and options being put forth here. Rainh8r and Brian make valid points about the kit and piping. The hot side piping from blower will need to be reworked to not rub on ac lines. This kit was designed for rhd cars so cold side piping is routed the way it is. Is it functional? Yes. Is it the most direct route to engine? No Will reworking intercooler and piping make more gains? Time will tell, but that's why we experiment.
The bov is close to engine hood but I found reversing valve so boost pressure holds valve shut and vacuum opens valve worked better for me and give more clearance. I highly recommend that forge valve for no compressor surge.
Like I stated earlier I have the race intercooler, the already modified hot pipe to clear ac lines and the cold side piping to manifold coated in black with the silicone couplers if anyone wants it. The intercooler also has welded brackets for the oil cooler for easy attachment.
First $300 gets all of it. That's a fraction of the cost of new. I am keeping intake pipe. PM me if interested.
The bov is close to engine hood but I found reversing valve so boost pressure holds valve shut and vacuum opens valve worked better for me and give more clearance. I highly recommend that forge valve for no compressor surge.
Like I stated earlier I have the race intercooler, the already modified hot pipe to clear ac lines and the cold side piping to manifold coated in black with the silicone couplers if anyone wants it. The intercooler also has welded brackets for the oil cooler for easy attachment.
First $300 gets all of it. That's a fraction of the cost of new. I am keeping intake pipe. PM me if interested.