New Endyn Manifold..
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From: Roc
I am not saying endyn isn't reputable, nor am I saying I could weld better, im saying whoever IS doing their welding shouldn't be, if you think cosmetics don't matter I don't suggest you trying to make performance parts in your lifetime, the r and d is awesome, the results are great, given a better fit up piece and a better welder, these would sell like hot cakes, don't try to twist my words into me "calling out" endyn, fact is premium parts need premium quality.. that's a fact
I can certainly agree with you there, and I'm not saying I agree with the pricing either, but lets give them a chance to defend themselves.
Originally Posted by illestrolla' timestamp='1361376353' post='22350479
Either way you look at it, and all price complaints and the "so and so makes this for X price" aside.
We should be grateful companies are actually putting forth the time and effort to R&D these parts for us.
We as an S2000 community are more than spoiled, It could be way worse. Imagine this was a TC board
We should be grateful companies are actually putting forth the time and effort to R&D these parts for us.
We as an S2000 community are more than spoiled, It could be way worse. Imagine this was a TC board
I am VERY thankful to everyone that takes time to further the performance of our community, but $1850 for a stock ported intake runner and bigger plenum isnt worth anywhere near that kind of pricing. I really like this manifold, but i think at most it should cost half this price...
1850 certainly is a lot, quickly approaching a ton.
Lets see what they have to say.
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Looks like quite a discussion going on around here.
Yes, we know it is expensive and the price came in higher than we wanted it to be, but there is a lot of machine time and labor involved and that is the price to cover those costs. It may not have the value or performance per dollar of other products, but its design and thus cost, is based upon testing and real gains like everything else we offer.
Here are some things to think about...
[attachment=34546:IMG_0755.jpg]
Either way, thank you to everyone who posted comments, Positive or Negative, it means you took the time to review our work.
We will still continue to develop for the S2000 and have more products coming soon, like our Facebook page to keep up to date.
There is a lot of good material and data on our site, please check it out.
Yes, we know it is expensive and the price came in higher than we wanted it to be, but there is a lot of machine time and labor involved and that is the price to cover those costs. It may not have the value or performance per dollar of other products, but its design and thus cost, is based upon testing and real gains like everything else we offer.
Here are some things to think about...
- It outflows 50mm Jenvey ITBs!!! Let that sink in, even with a plenum it outflows ITBs
- This design was based of tens of iterative runner designs, each flow bench tested, not flow tested after a final design
- We increased flow by 8% over OEM, providing a potential for 8% HP gains (multiply that by 300 to 400 HP)
- Our headwork has 13% increase in flow over OEM and dynoed with a 15% increase in power at a lower RPM
- We flow test the manifold attached to a head, most manifolds are flowed by themselves to promote gains over a head, which is pointless
- It outflows ITBs!!!. People spend $1500-$2000 on ITBs, so in some context price is not so bad
- For ten years the S2000 was the most efficient (HP/L) engine in the world & Honda specifically tuned the runner length & width, so using that as a base was very important
- Significantly shortening the runners will loose mid range torque by missing out on harmonic pulse tuning, this is something you dont see on a flow bench
- Wide runners slow down air velocity quite a bit, reducing engine response and increase turbo lag (we've seen this in our ITB testing)
- Wide runners need fast tapers to match the head port which induce turbulent flow choking the head, there is a small taper range that works, outside of that reduces flow
- New designs aren't always better than improving an old design.. 4 stroke engines were invented in 1876 and here we are discussing how to improve 4 stroke engines
[attachment=34546:IMG_0755.jpg]
Either way, thank you to everyone who posted comments, Positive or Negative, it means you took the time to review our work.
We will still continue to develop for the S2000 and have more products coming soon, like our Facebook page to keep up to date.
There is a lot of good material and data on our site, please check it out.
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From: Roc
Looks like quite a discussion going on around here.
Yes, we know it is expensive and the price came in higher than we wanted it to be, but there is a lot of machine time and labor involved and that is the price to cover those costs. It may not have the value or performance per dollar of other products, but its design and thus cost, is based upon testing and real gains like everything else we offer.
Here are some things to think about...
[attachment=34546:IMG_0755.jpg]
Either way, thank you to everyone who posted comments, Positive or Negative, it means you took the time to review our work.
We will still continue to develop for the S2000 and have more products coming soon, like our Facebook page to keep up to date.
There is a lot of good material and data on our site, please check it out.
Yes, we know it is expensive and the price came in higher than we wanted it to be, but there is a lot of machine time and labor involved and that is the price to cover those costs. It may not have the value or performance per dollar of other products, but its design and thus cost, is based upon testing and real gains like everything else we offer.
Here are some things to think about...
- It outflows 50mm Jenvey ITBs!!! Let that sink in, even with a plenum it outflows ITBs
- This design was based of tens of iterative runner designs, each flow bench tested, not flow tested after a final design
- We increased flow by 8% over OEM, providing a potential for 8% HP gains (multiply that by 300 to 400 HP)
- Our headwork has 13% increase in flow over OEM and dynoed with a 15% increase in power at a lower RPM
- We flow test the manifold attached to a head, most manifolds are flowed by themselves to promote gains over a head, which is pointless
- It outflows ITBs!!!. People spend $1500-$2000 on ITBs, so in some context price is not so bad
- For ten years the S2000 was the most efficient (HP/L) engine in the world & Honda specifically tuned the runner length & width, so using that as a base was very important
- Significantly shortening the runners will loose mid range torque by missing out on harmonic pulse tuning, this is something you dont see on a flow bench
- Wide runners slow down air velocity quite a bit, reducing engine response and increase turbo lag (we've seen this in our ITB testing)
- Wide runners need fast tapers to match the head port which induce turbulent flow choking the head, there is a small taper range that works, outside of that reduces flow
- New designs aren't always better than improving an old design.. 4 stroke engines were invented in 1876 and here we are discussing how to improve 4 stroke engines
[attachment=34546:IMG_0755.jpg]
Either way, thank you to everyone who posted comments, Positive or Negative, it means you took the time to review our work.
We will still continue to develop for the S2000 and have more products coming soon, like our Facebook page to keep up to date.
There is a lot of good material and data on our site, please check it out.
Thanks for coming in here with some real world information.
That picture looks sexy as all hell!
I think corey was referring to the shot posted previous where there was a bunch of weld built up on the runner.
Couple this with your cyl head and were talking over 20% gains, talk about ridiculous power for guys up in the 6-7-800 land.
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I I'll go to sleep referring to the original picture posted of the back of the manifold wells were not straight the pictures since been taking down and replace it with this 1 that does look better I'd still be interested in seeing the back of the manifold again and seeing that number 1 runner be fixed with proper fitment rather than laid on welds, I think you have an amazing product hear that just wasn't ready for production yet
