Rebuilding Head for Turbo
#31
Originally Posted by neeman77,Oct 16 2009, 10:25 AM
In that case lol...
This is what happens with stock valves:
This is what happens with stock valves:
That ruined the entire engine, other than the crank there is not much left.
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Originally Posted by ERL_S2000,Oct 16 2009, 10:45 AM
4. If you seriously do not want to spend $2000.00+ on parts and machine work keep it simple. Do a set of valve springs,retainers and a set of standard valves. If you really want to get into the chambers and ports then you better do it right. Anyone can offer a 3 angle valve job, but how do you know that is whats best. I spent a lot of money getting the last one right because most things hurt and do not help this head.
With a new valve train included guides and machine work you are going to hit $1500.
I am still surprised that know one has set up a CNC process for our heads. I know that there are not large potential gains like the domestic heads I am used to but know one I found really stepped up to the plate with a good flowing head. The only sell with the S2000 head I could find was to add hardware for higher RPM and temperature. Now I had my head and TrboKev's completely reworked with new hardware then gasket matched to the manifolds, deburred and smoothed, rather than a deep port and I was very happy with the results though there is no way for me to quantify them. I also closed off the Air injection holes on the exhaust side as I no longer need them.
You can see in the combustion chamber that nearly no material was removed, and only a very slight deshroud was done between the valves. It should also be noted, that on the exhaust side there is a lip, see the scribed mark, intentionally left all around the head to help prevent exhaust gas backflow and with a cast short runner manifold, I think this will be imparitive.
#33
Originally Posted by dsddcd,Oct 16 2009, 05:19 PM
That ruined the entire engine, other than the crank there is not much left.
#34
Originally Posted by neeman77,Oct 16 2009, 02:36 PM
Yep, and to top it all off the little pieces go through the turbine wheel of your turbo.
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Originally Posted by dsddcd,Oct 16 2009, 02:33 PM
I can agree with everything you said except for the standard valve statement. I can tell you first hand and many others will agree that the stock valves from the heat of FI, in my case the little Greddy, will warp. When I pulled my head all the exhaust valves were warped and when I started calling and talking with Laskey, IP, and many others they all agreed that a good exhaust valve should be utilized. As far as the seat is concerned that would be the next step however as you said this is no longer a budget build at this point.
With a new valve train included guides and machine work you are going to hit $1500.
I am still surprised that know one has set up a CNC process for our heads. I know that there are not large potential gains like the domestic heads I am used to but know one I found really stepped up to the plate with a good flowing head. The only sell with the S2000 head I could find was to add hardware for higher RPM and temperature. Now I had my head and TrboKev's completely reworked with new hardware then gasket matched to the manifolds, deburred and smoothed, rather than a deep port and I was very happy with the results though there is no way for me to quantify them. I also closed off the Air injection holes on the exhaust side as I no longer need them.
You can see in the combustion chamber that nearly no material was removed, and only a very slight deshroud was done between the valves. It should also be noted, that on the exhaust side there is a lip, see the scribed mark, intentionally left all around the head to help prevent exhaust gas backflow and with a cast short runner manifold, I think this will be imparitive.
With a new valve train included guides and machine work you are going to hit $1500.
I am still surprised that know one has set up a CNC process for our heads. I know that there are not large potential gains like the domestic heads I am used to but know one I found really stepped up to the plate with a good flowing head. The only sell with the S2000 head I could find was to add hardware for higher RPM and temperature. Now I had my head and TrboKev's completely reworked with new hardware then gasket matched to the manifolds, deburred and smoothed, rather than a deep port and I was very happy with the results though there is no way for me to quantify them. I also closed off the Air injection holes on the exhaust side as I no longer need them.
You can see in the combustion chamber that nearly no material was removed, and only a very slight deshroud was done between the valves. It should also be noted, that on the exhaust side there is a lip, see the scribed mark, intentionally left all around the head to help prevent exhaust gas backflow and with a cast short runner manifold, I think this will be imparitive.
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Originally Posted by Spoolin,Oct 16 2009, 11:50 AM
I think its a waste of time and money to port this head unless you're going for 1000 whp. At that time, you would be swapping to a race intake manifold, 3 inch charge piping, etc anyway.
A three angle valve job won't hurt the head flow and is only necessary for correct valve sealing to to head. Why would you say or think a three angle valve job would hurt the head or its flow?
A three angle valve job won't hurt the head flow and is only necessary for correct valve sealing to to head. Why would you say or think a three angle valve job would hurt the head or its flow?
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Originally Posted by Spoolin,Oct 15 2009, 11:26 PM
Thanks. I just wanted him to see what he can get a good build for. I believe its very necessary if you plan on going over 500 whp and want it to live for a long time. Mike Laskey at Laskey Racing is where you can get all the build parts for at s great price. I got all I listed here from him for $675 and he is awesome to do business with.
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